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I'm past due to take care of laundry. Here's hoping that this fallout dies out eventually and all members can just get along......I know that's a tall order, but Dance Dad wants it.

im always to quiet to start anything

Okay, soapbox time for a minute.

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These are my opinions - I'm only speaking for myself.

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The biggest problem with the LTTP competitive community is that a lot of people who don't fucking matter in it have all the opinions and yell the loudest.

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There are effectively no top-tier players of the game voicing strong opposition to this.

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Some of them have brought up issues - that's fine.

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But as far as strong opposition goes, no.

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The main reason is that those players don't even use trackers.

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Which BTW is still the fastest way to play.

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Even with the auto-tracker.

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There are a lot of people who see ghosts everywhere. (edited)

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They are deathly afraid of unfair advantages and outright cheating.

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But what they don't understand, or fail to acknowledge, is that's it's already happening.

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I have ZERO doubt that I did not build the first software to do this.

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The only thing I built was the first PUBLIC software to do all of this for LTTPR, with reasonable hurdles in the way of 99% of users doing bad things

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There is zero protection against cheating in LTTPR races.

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That's just the reality.

I just want to agree with everything I just read

only way to prent cheating would be to have the races in some kind of stadium or something, with a standard set of hardware and tools for all

This whole business might actually further the rate of cheating, as people channel their discontent into making their own softwares

okay so since i am in the position i am, I think i really need to tell you one thing. the first argument you come up with is awful. You can't just base the opinion of a community off top players. top players are not the core of your community. Thoughts and ideas like this are the main reason why devs and admins lose contact to their community's base

this has happened

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and it created a mighty shitstorm

Sorry, I'm not saying that's the right way to handle the community.

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I'm just describing the distribution here.

only way to prent cheating would be to have the races in some kind of stadium or something, with a standard set of hardware and tools for all yeah, but then someone sneaks a USB drive in and ...

The admins fucked up by rushing this.

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I followed along.

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Not gonna argue with that at all.

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And btw, that distrust in the LTTPR community is out of control.

welp, thanks to flagrama now the stadium security has to do a full body search

And it's something the admins need to address more than they have.

So is there an alternative for an auto tracker? I'm not a speed runner participating in these competitions. Why does everyone have to be punished?

Emo did specify competitive community tho Trez, basing that mostly off the top players seems fair. (edited)

Yeah I see you only had good intentions in the end. I guess it needs to be a learning experience that admins can not be trusted when they say ah no it is fine without doing any additional consultation. These random communities are so fucking huge they might as well be an AAA videogame audience

Kimitri you could enable it so your chat could track

As somebody who works in AAA game dev, I can say "not quite", but in principle yes.

it has a similar mob mentality when stuff goes wrong, so kinda yeah

The main difference between AAA game dev and this situation is that at work I have a PR and community management team for the product who actually gives a shit.

@x10power | FFMQ Tracker I don't stream, I just play by myself and sometime do races with a friend

I think there is a lot of merit in pointing out that it's only what we'll call the mid level who seems to be against it

The people who aren't top level, but are competitive, yes

The low level is strongly in favor of it and there hasn't been much said one way or the other from the top level afaik

i personally dont mind it, i'll just keep using the tracker i like most

The issue is that in communities like this, the mid level is typically the least important part. sounds shitty I know, but it's basically true

|==lowlevel==|==========midlevel==========|=toplevel=|

there is no "least important"

yeah in the end you are not directly responsible or you dont catch the heat unless you put yourself out there on twitter for example to the masses. On here you are a public figure and people will refer directly to you when stuff goes right or wrong. Mostly when it goes wrong ofc, thats what being a dev is like after all. I would recommend when you do stuff in the name of a community, you either dont or you need to be absolutely sure you poked your head inside a lot and made sure thats actually what the community seems to want and not what 5 people might think

even saying something like this shows a wrong understanding

the bulk of your community is going to be the midlevel

this is coming from my own experience in the smash bros community

people like to point fingers especially when they don't understand

flagrama is correct btw, they do make up the majority

I have a question: My own take on this would be, "What's done is done" and force the devs to step up their game for race environments. But I'm not in your position, you chose the opposite. What encouraged you to pull back support?

What I said is not a community management stance. What I said is a, "here is the reality of evaluating the impact of this on competition".

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It's a balancing act.

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And it's one that the z3r admins need to think about far more critically than they do.

but the mid level is always comprised of low levels who felt welcome and interested enough to commit

If you were to equate this to a blizzard game.. the people complaining are the platinum/diamond players.. Where the Masters/Grandmasters don't care.. and the Gold players down don't care.. (for the most part)

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the lion share of players are in the Gold Down

So more along the lines of you didn't want to burn bridges while other were putting out fires?

making decisions that benefit the current mid level at the expense of the low level have a tendency to cause stagnation in a community

If you were told that autosplitting was super okay and you can just do it now then that is definetly messed up. Even if one shouldn't rely on those people exclusively

@Fluxxdog The only reason I released this in the first place was that, given the ruleset that we'd agreed upon, there was a way to enforce it reasonably effectively for 99% of users.

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The shift in policy made that no longer true.

So I just got home from work could somebody give me a quick rundown on what happened?

you can check the announcements page

Oh I read that just was wondering exactly what happened that caused the pull of the support.

I see. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for answering. Something I should keep in mind in my own developments.

This chat needs more Motion City Soundtrack

Emo, does that mean you're willing to re-enable it once dark room items are visible in v31?

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or is it another part of the rule set you're referring to?

delassa to many factors to pinpoint

there wasn;t any comunication with the community on the side of the z3r admins the community is full of closeminded people (edited)

afaik it will only be enabled when it is explicitly permitted

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as it was intended to be

so people freaked out about it being a time saver or "cheat"?

I was just excited for some casual couch rando so I could hang out with my wife and not disappear into the office to play. Tracking while sitting on the couch isn't fun.

TL;DR: Massive communities need to be maneuvered around like porcelain. Do not trust what a single club of people say the will of the community is, more often than not it is wrong. Giant communities have a million misconceptions - you need years to educate otherwise

So what about those of us who just play it casually? (edited)

nothing

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everyone suffers (edited)

sucks

can I interest you in a game where tracking doesn't matter as much inveneLOVE

inveneLOVE

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(j/k)

really sucks for the person who put all that work in under the impression it would be permitted just to have it taken away in a day

I understand Emo's decision to revoke access remotely. Not sure if it is really neccesary since it is out there and all and people will have to realize cheating was possible all along. So might as well allow it to satisfy the casuals. But then again I imagine with this situation you dont want the angry mob on your ass even more

Well for what it's worth I thank you for the time you spent developing it @EmoSaru In my opinion, fuck'm, you'll never make everyone happy. You'

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re doing great

Honestly, I'm fine with the usage of my time.

Im sure it will find usage elsewhere

I had fun building it, which is always good. Moreover, it will benefit other games.

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its good practice either way

Exactly.

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I've been developing software professionally since 1999.

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I'm good on practice, lol.

haha

@EmoSaru would you be willing to re-enable it in the future if the situation changed

good point, It been so long for me I don't think I could type a while loop that would work lol

The main rando rom developer knows what it would take.

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It's unlikely to happen.

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But, of course.

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If the situation changes, so too will my response. (edited)

gotcha

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well I appreciate your perspective at least

the situation will change ultimately. The question is when. But im sure some day it will. It was just too early for this massive game. It is easier in smaller communities

Yep.

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Honestly, I think somebody soon will provide the example clearly illustrating "there was nothing stopping this already".

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It's like when the music industry ignored MP3s for too long.

When I ported my WiiU Autosplitter for Tropical Freeze, a community that consists of 20 people total, it took 5 sentences and a "wow this would be awesome to have, do it" to have it approved and ultimatively released to happy people. With like 20k+ people it is....different

just release a fork of emotracker called nemotracker that for casual play that doesn't need to follow the competitive rules :P

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and enable it there

I can assure you I will never do that.

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For one, that's highly sketchy.

oh dear why have two packages

And for two, it forks the platform. If I wanted forked versions of the platform, the source would be freely available.

yeah it was kind of a tongue in cheek joke

I get that, just making that clear for anybody reading.

I guess you could have a "casual mode" toggle in emotracker but it kind of alters the purity of the project

It's not about purity.

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Like, of course I could leave it on, and the admins could just say "not in competition".

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But all that does is opt me and my community and my software into a lot of inevitable conflict and suspicion. (edited)

All these kinds of ideas are really a waste of breath and valuable time Emo can spend on improving the base instead. It is really for the best that you either turn it off or on. Middle ground solutions like weird detection stuff is all pointless, it doesnt change the situation ultimately. But it wastes time

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hmm

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but somebody's got to do it eventually right

nemotracker is actually a fantastic pun though

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gg wp

There is no version of right that exists at the moment you do it.

autotracking on lots of things seems inevitable

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even if it doesn't exist right now

Right is a label that is only applied retroactively.

I think that line may have been a question of missing punctuation.

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"But somebody's got to do it eventually, right?"

I think so as well. Autotracking is on the rise. There will be a time

Ah, lol

#punctuationmatters

Well, I stand by what I said, regardless

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Progress is often messy

I mean, funnily, the biggest hurdle the pack I'm helping to build faced is that there exists an autotracker and they see no reason to change to emotracker

For example look what the 2 World Wars brought on to the world

we are slowly moving towards it in BotW. Another bigger sizish community. After 1 year almost we still arent there to allow it, but public sentiment grows for it. It takes...time....a long time

Ultimately I think it's extremely sad that a handful of shit-stirrers and conspiracy theorists have bullied an entire community into throwing out a pretty amazing tool.

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^ That

It has happened to me. It is sad, but you learn to deal with it. In the end it happened anyway, just delayed. Progress always happens, but first it is often rejected. This is that point now

At least one of them has a personal problem and is assuredly using this a s a wedge to be malicious

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And for that to not be recognized is gross.

Lobbying in my speedrunning

I hope Z3R auto-tracking gets another legitimate shot sometime in the future on this platform. If not, I understand

It will. Like 100%

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question is only when

I appreciate the fact that I'm pretty sure you understand exactly where I'm coming from right now, dragonbane0.

But the work is not wasted which Emo pointed out. It is done now and the discussions can thrive and ultimately the work will get its spotlight. In some communities earlier than others. Of course it is fine to be disappointed that your game is slower to make it there. That happens in so many areas in life

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:)

I just think this whole thing is dumb, I personally won't use the auto tracker functionality just because I'm too damn lazy to go and set up crowd control download the usb2snes firmware and set it all up. At the same time though I wouldn't be mad if someone in a race against me was using autotracker functionality because ultimately it was my choice not using it. and for people to say that it's not fully accessible to everyone I don't understand how considering it was functional for both sd2snes and emulation (edited)

For sure

I will welcome it each time even though it won't be a feature I turn on personally till I get around to it

If that person needs autotracking in a race situation you're probably already kicking their ass

Just so I can get a clear understanding, there is no alternative auto tracker, your's was the first, you shut it down because of blowhards, and now everyone is punished. Am I clear on that oversimplification of it?

there are almost certainly alternative auto trackers

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just none are official

First one that the general public knows about.

Emotracker is one of the first PUBLIC ones, yeah

emotracker was going to be an officially supported one

Yep Emo. Sorry again for earlier. Just a dev like you, would like to have a good relationship with you and you seem cool and all that. My first contact with EmoTracker hehe, it was discussed a lot yesterday in our ootr dev channel

For sure, it's all good, seriously.

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This should have been a surprise to absolutely no one on any side of the fence.

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Humans hate change.

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And love drama.

For better or worse Natalie. For better or worse.

I mean, I knew everyone was gonna screech about it. (edited)

I'm jsut sad I never got to use it

I for one welcome our new auto-tracking overlords.

On the other hand

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We just forced a lot of kids to try something other than Snes9x

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So I'd chalk this up as an overall win

I was using Bnes before this

Snes9x is good but please step outside of your safety bubble once in a while guys

sorry, my internet died

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but yes that's what I meant earlier lol

I wouldn't have even known this was a thing if not for my friend pointing it out to me last night

I play on SD2SNES so I was really hoping to get it going there.

the silver lining is at least I can go back to playing on my wii

why would you use anything other than RetroArch Kappa

Kappa

because retroarch's interface is... not the nicest

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even if it has every feature under the sun

I absolutely knew there would be some backlash.

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I think to an extent the magnitude, but mostly the way it was handled, is the only thing that's surprising at all. (edited)

RA by default looks like a PS3 out of the box and that's why it chases everyone off.

not just that

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navigating all the menus is just a pain

rip drama, watch the accusations of elitism echo through time for a few years

it needs proper window gui conventions

I enjoy RA

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but I liked the XMB of the PS3

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so..

@halgorithmthat largely stems from bad user interfaces e.g. anything AT ALL that's based EVEN REMOTELY on the ps3 menu

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soyeah

heh

I know it's not for everyone

on a technical level though it is a pretty excellent emulator

it worked on the ps3 because the ps3 was a magic box and you never saw the innards.

I just hope it gets a ui revamp at some point

On a side note I REALLY need to learn how to write a frontend for my program :/

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but I suck at design work

do you work on retroarch? LOL

lol

because then yes, yes you do

I am all self taught.. Wrote a pretty simple Twitch/Discord bot thing in node.js but right now it's all controlled in Chat commands

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which some people just can't get their heads around

My GUI skills are best explained by the fact that 99% of my code is C and assembly

so I'm trying to learn React to make a web based thing that interfaces with it

I swear, nobody understands Kappa

Kappa

I've worked with react a fair bit

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I was definitely going to use it for my z3 autotracker

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since I'm a web dev I'm comfortable with web tech

Every programming language I've touched has been self taught, I know my code is messy, I don't follow norms..

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which is why I'm so reluctant for any help, because people judge

I don’t look at people’s code, I look at the binaries, so I don’t have to worry about that

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Very convenient

Let learning to read dotnet il instructions is pretty useful.

that's way too low-level for me

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though I've always wondered how stuff works at that level in detail (edited)

I find security holes in phone firmware for forensic purposes. It’s fun

neat

I'll be over here with my CLI games >.>

nethack \0/

Oh boy, I wasn't much in alttpr discord those last days, didn't expect drama after the first announcement. marcoLove

marcoLove

@EmoSaru you must have worked a lot on it, sad to see the feature rejected like this :/

It will live on, insofar as it is available for other communities to enable should so they so choose.

Good. I'm mostly from alttpr so sad to see it go away, but at least your hard work has not been done in vain

After catching up a bit on chat, wouldn't an animated watermark that displays the checksums of both the ROM and the Tracker help?

That is contrary to the design ethos and user experience goals I have for EmoTracker. Ergo, I refuse to do it. Autotracking for LTTPR is not worth doing that.

It would have to be something not easily replicated, of course, but it could help with the trust issues

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Ah, well, was just throwing out an idea

The genesis of EmoTracker was customizable, better looking trackers on stream. Anything that mars your stream is a strict no-go for me.

Well, I was thinking that the watermark wouldn't be there for normal community builds, just a special racing build, though that would obviously be more work for you to maintain two branches of the same software

@EmoSaru your soapbox message above is so on point. The only people throwing this huge of a fit aren't losing because of tracking abilities... I hate that things always end up pandering to the bottom/conspiracy theorists. Sorry for the shitstorm... hopefully these people can get over themselves sooner rather than later, but yea.

Though, again, I'm not telling you to do this, I'm just giving suggestions

I think we've said everything we can say at this point - let's start moving on.

K

So where would one start to develop a package for say pkmn

The chat history is #customization-support is a great resource. Also, extracting the zip file for my LTTP package provides you the generally-best reference materials for what the tracker currently supports.

im thinking of just keeping track of the HMs, Key Items, Badges to start and to practice

You can certainly find examples of how to do everythign you need to in my pack. Good luck, and use #customization-support when you need help!

Deal thanks, with pkmn CC coming up I think it would be a good time to get something pkmn related started

I support this

Sorry, just got back from a few hours of teaching. All the stuff happened while I was away

But yes

@x10power | FFMQ Tracker I was totally reading that pikmin until you mentioned HMs and badges lol.

^Same

I was so confused

I also support a pikmin tracker

A Pikmin randomizer

Though I do not support pikmin randomizer

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The randomizer scientists have gone too far, I say

Never played it, so I have no clue how that would even work.

pikmin rando sounds terrifying tbh

Depends on which game you're randomizing

Pikmin rando? 2 or bust.

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Even then, it's not very... good of a choice.

There's more than one?! I only remember the Game Cube version

There's like three or four Pikmin games

Oh geeze. Time to go youtube hunting.

However, you are ALWAYS welcome to create a tracker package for a game like Pikmin. It can still serve as an excellent checklist.

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Even if it's not a randomized game, some games can benefit from using a tracker package as a checklist.

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Learning tools, you know? (edited)

Yeah, four of them @Rastlin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikmin_(series)

Pikmin (series)

Pikmin is a series of Real-time strategy and puzzle video games created by Shigeru Miyamoto and published by Nintendo. The games focus on directing a horde of plant-like creatures called Pikmin in order to collect items by destroying obstacles, avoiding hazards and fighting f...

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Though the last one released was a 3DS game I never played, so I can't tell you if it's good or not

Interesting. I might have to look for that. I always found the game interesting, just never enough time to buy it when I had a gamecube.

I'm actually working on enabling static notes to be embedded in layouts

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Along with some new layout elements to make e.g. checklists work properly

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So building a tracker pack that effectively provides notes for e.g. RPG speedruns, with progress tracking, will be possible.,

Pikmin 2 is also a gamecube game, so Dolphin is able to emulate it

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Pikmin 3, though, is Wii U

That's really cool. Just curious, how long have you been working as a dev, Saru?

Shaq Fu X Gradius III rando inc

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I have been programming professionally since 1999.

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And have been programming in some form or another since 1986.

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So, a while.

If its not too probing, what AAA do you work for?

Hm, that made me realize that autotracking functionality has some fun potential for stream layout changing with a properly designed broadcast layout.

Not gonna share that here.

no probs

Well, as someone who's just now working through bachelors courses in comp sci for software dev, you're basically what I aspire to be in the future

Good luck with your studies! Make sure you're passionate about what you're doing, because I can tell you that when you're not, it can really really suck.

my brother works for a AAA as well, and he tends to keep that stuff under wraps too. NDAs and all that.

Thanks!

(about the new ping) oh... that's sad

It is what it is. The good part of it all is now the discussion has been started.

EmoSaru: I just want to say one thing :

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@EmoSaru Don't know if you're sick of hearing this by now, but thanks for all the work you do, your tracker is by far my favorite even without the auto-tracking

I am sorry if this has been asked, but would the ban on lttpr auto tracker stop the alttp+SM combo rando from having that feature? (Should the community approve of course)

It's very much not their decision to prevent us from allowing crossover autotracking.

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Pour a little more salt on that wound, see what happens.

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(Oh, this isn't in the crossover discord.)

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(I refuse to retract that statement, though.)

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(I'm a crossover player, so shenanigans)

Fwiw I remember back 2 years ago when Zarby had auto tracking on his tracker, which has sense been outdated. Never heard a peep about an issue using it back then, people's need to get with it

coding since 1986? Damn, feels weird since I wasnt even alive at that point and I thought im among the old people in this community :P

what do the different colors mean

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blue yellow orange and green

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green means go you can do it

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but what about the others

There's a yellow and an orange? (I'm color blind and had no idea.)

@tucker87 https://discordapp.com/channels/386961931988369418/422107004560080896/456932364002525185

@Nelliel (Shippo) check #faq near the top

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a point of note: the colors are shared in location names, except for green: the text label is white for "fully accessible"

@LostThePirate Thanks! I had looked for an option in the app and didn't see one.

Np, happy to help you find out there's already support in place :)

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Just requires a little extra work to enable.

I generally prefer icons. But being able to adjust the colors should help a lot.

Joined because theres only 5999 members im the 6000th

Congrats! You win the satisfaction of being number 6000!

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More seriously, that is a huge number, and thanks to everybody here for their support. ❤

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tovgLove

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And thank you for making me suck less at randomizers.

I used this tracker as well so im not wasting that spot

I still suck at them just don't forget what I picked up as much

Yeah I still suck too, just... suck less.

When i saw there was only 5999 people xD

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So maybe I'm just effing stupid, but auto-tracking is only disabled for alttp, right?

19:47

Like, I see it in the anno, but...

The community had kittens in a self-consuming fit of rage, so auto-tracking is supported but auto-tracking for LttPR is not allowed.

19:48

You'll have to wait for another community to get their ducks in a row and provide auto-tracking support so that packs can be made to support it.

auto tracking was only ever available for LttPR lol

You completely missed the boat.

21:08

The framework is still in and will be able to support any rando made compatible with it

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The rando and pack devs will have to work closely with each other and EmoSaru to establish acceptable and disallowed tracking regions of memory.

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As of currently, no other rando community has announced their support for autotracking, nor any pack been developed to make use thereof

I know of one community that allows it. The official tracker for La Mulana Rando currently has an autotracking feature, so I'm sure an EmoTracker pack for it would also be able to support it if made. (edited)

REmaster will as well. There's another tracker that is an auto-item tracker (but no map!).

anyone know why the little robot in the bottom right of my emotracker disappeared?

21:24

I've restarted emotracker several times and the little robot won't come back

#announcements

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oh ffs

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seriously?

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I spent like a f-n hour last night figuring out how to set it up

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unbelievable

Go yell at the LttPR community for eating its own tail.

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it's not like there's money on these races or something ffs nerds

There are.

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There are a lot of money in some of them.

Dude, stop. Yelling at Emo won't accomplish anything.

I'm not talking in caps

But it's an autotracker. Not secret patches to the game code to make Link move 3 subpixels faster when L is held down.

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Regardless, this is neither the time nor place to argue the semantics of an autotracker.

I didn't even get to play 1 run with it, after spending a while figuring it out

21:29

that's why im salty

go be salty in the rando discord

Go be salty at the community that ruined it.

21:30

That's not us.

Yea, it sucks. But you're being salty in the wrong place. We wanted it.

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Well, supported it.

I just came here to figure out why it wasn't working

(I didn't, but I know how to go with the flow.)

not to blame anyone other then the people responsible

youre in the wrong discord for blaming

..yeah, uh, you're complaining in the wrong place to the wrong people about the wrong problem.

go https://discord.gg/UBPupa and bitch

unless you already went there and complained that the new autotracker was banned and ended up banned yourself MonkaS

Whoa. Put the pitchforks down.

No I literally just finished dinner, wanted to do the daily object with the new tracker and it wasnt working

21:32

came here to find out why

So you asked, you got your answer, and then...

21:33

it's not like there's money on these races or something ffs nerds

well it's silly

move on

21:33

being salty about it here won't change anything

no you're right, sorry

21:34

just kinda a shock to someone who just wasted time installing it

think about how much time emo spent coding it

Probably a long time

Hey

Heyo

if you right click a tag and make it disappear by mistake is it possible to make it reappear?

F11 to show all locations, then open the location and right click the chest to undo

So, auto is just disabled permanentlu, huh...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I wouldn't say permanently

Damn, didnt even get to use it

05:29

Wanted to try it out

My guess is until the LTTPR community figures out what they want

05:30

if that ever happens

Aww man

05:31

I was really happy to try it out

yeah would have been cool

What's the reason they bitched about it?

but them's the breaks

05:32

idk I didn't keep up with the drama

05:32

something something unfair advantage

XD haha, what?

05:32

Damn, thats dissapointing

05:32

Ok thx

The community's been crazy about pointing and screaming "cheater" for years

05:33

pretty standard stuff tbh

Well, do they have any logical arguments about why it's an unfair advantage?

I can only speculate really

05:34

but my guess is you have an easier time making decisions when you don't have to put the effort into tracking things manually

05:35

all you need to do is take one glance at your tracker

it's not really an advantage for a normal item tracker

If you ask me this discrepancy is miniscule at best

the problem is map tracking

yeh

map trackers should just be banned competitively anyway tho so kind of a moot point

Then just disable map tracking?

again I don't really know the details, but when you're trying to work with a bunch of screaming children eventually you have to turn the car around and go home

I mean, just like in the Olympics, one racer might have better shoes. It's his decision to wear them, but it won't affect running that much

seems that's what happened

Couldn't both parties use auto tracking?

05:37

Ah, im bummed now

05:37

I wanted to try it for at least one run

05:37

Maybe in the future, i can only hope :/

It seems like other communities are perfectly accepting of it, but the LTTPR one has generally been very abrasive regarding it

05:38

nothing that can really be done about it

That sucks

If they have a collective change of heart then maybe it'll make a return

Why Don't they just make an atracker hassome sort of distinct way to differentiate it from normal trackers, to prevent cheating that way?

you say that but by and large the community support for it seemed larger than the minority against it

05:40

so it's more down to the powerful dummies than the collective

maybe

05:40

I left that Discord forever ago

Im subbed, but i dont frequent it anymore

05:41

Theyre a tad bit stuckup

Then you're probably a bit familiar with these particular struggles

Yeah, but that was quick

05:42

I'm very busy, so i wanted to wait till the weekend to set it up

Understandable

I didn't have bizhawk, but got excited when i saw the sn9x variant

I was kind of interested in trying it out too

05:43

but what can you do

And right now, at school, i just see the announcement it's over lol. Mixed bag of emotions that wsd

05:44

Oh well

05:44

Maybe someone else will make one

Again I wouldn't say it's "over", I'd like to think of it as postponed until the community is ready to cooperate

05:45

clearly at the moment they are not

Which won't be soon

05:45

I mean, times passing, exam season is coming

05:45

So, let's hope they get their shit together

05:45

Oops, Bell rang

05:45

Gotta go

sakuHiYo

Thats the thing i wanted to ask : Has the COMMUNITY been asked if they are ok with or or "the community". Ah well , on to normal tracking and maybe with the help of my chat and ChatHUD

Well, looking at a recent ALTTPR discord announcement, it essentially says that it allows you to bypass something in the rom reliably, and that there would be no way to stop people from doing that even if it was banned

05:54

But community wise I’m still trying to piece things together

Well this is no valid point in my eye, as Emo said before the tech was there for a long time. She just implemented it into something that is pulic and viewed by many

(please don’t take anything I say to heart, for I am stupid)

People could have been using that since a long time

05:56

ah well

05:56

let a fallen comrade rest

I just wish there was a way to use it casually.

Can emo just send copies of the program and then just have a doc list of who she gave a copy to? Or maybe not be allowed to give it to racers, but people that just play casually?

06:27

Like a vip member sort of thing, lol

That would a breach of trust and she wouldn't be able to reliably control that racers don't have access

06:38

Like she said multiple times already it's time to move on though

whether it'll see the light of day is in the hands of the lttpr admins at this point

06:40

pretty much

Let's move on.

Could someone point me in the direction of how to get emotracker to connect with the game?

Which game?

If you mean ALttPr there is no Autotracking. This feature has been removed

ALTTP]

You should read the latest post in #announcements then

I hear Karkat is developing an open source one just to open the floodgates and force the issue, but I'm not sure when its gonna come around

I was sure there already were autotrackers, but they just weren’t allowed?

there are definitely autotrackers. none of them worked after v29 though

09:09

kk needed one so now he has to develop an "insecure" one

09:09

hopefully meaning we can allow the secure one back

I want to clarify something - the reasons why I'm not just disabling map auto-tracking right now.

09:55

There are ZERO protections in place in the rom to prevent it.

09:56

Any disabling I do there will work for well-meaning people using my software.

09:56

However, there is absolutely nothing preventing people from building or hacking software to circumvent it. (edited)

They plan to work on it for both lttp and combo ^

Given the way this has all gone down so far, solutions based on software just being "polite" don't really attract me.

09:57

So, at least for now, with the ALTTPR community, either we're okay with allowing autotracking or not.

09:57

Believe me, I've been in non-stop discussions about this with a lot of relevant people for the last 2 days.

09:57

We've talked about a lot of stuff.

09:59

This isn't me trying to take a toy away. If there's any point I'm trying to make, it's simply that people need to understand that on a slope this slippery, there are only two meaningfully different locations - the top, and the bottom. Standing in the middle is a myth.,

I wish people would understand that with something like this, there's always the possibility of abuse... but, as with any tool, you have to kind of trust the user will do what you intended with it instead of breaking something. It shouldn't be the maker of the tool's responsibility to control every action (which is inherently impossible given the ROM doesn't have ways to stop tracking everything). This should have been a step forward. Even without this, people could abuse the system anyway... sigh. At least you tried, @EmoSaru

The reality is, I would be shocked to find that there hasn't been at least one tool already that does exactly what I'm doing. The only difference is, mine is public and acknowledges its existence.

People can already abuse the system as it is right now, tho

10:04

No one has requested roms to look for online data for items to make sure no one looks directly in their memory

I'm not sure what you mean by "online data"; there is no way to determine what's going on here by looking at a rom.

10:05

As far as I'm concerned, this is not a technological issue at this point.

10:05

It's a community management issue.

Well, people said if you really want, you could look in the rom because it has to store items somewhere

In race roms, the item table is encyrpted.

Considering this autotracker isn't worse

I'm not commenting on the relative strength of that encryption, but it is encrypted.

Encrypted or not it must be breakable

My point is, if you don't want map autotracking, encrypt the ram that store that data.

10:07

Otherwise it WILL happen.

Wouldn’t the rom also have the decryption key anyway...?

Whether my tool is nice about it or not.

10:07

I'm not going to comment more on the protections in the rom. One because I don't have all the details, and two because it's not my place.

10:07

My point is only that, if you want something protected, protect it.

Yeah, that's how it works

If you don't protect it, just because I'm nice, doesn't mean anybody else will be.

Encrypting the item location data though won't do much against a determined enough person anyway though

The idea at the moment was just not to block autotracker on race roms but cause it to have weird behaviours

Sorry, whose idea?

as in, the SRAM used to store what chests are opened

Which would at least catch a few people

I am fairly certain that given the lifespan of this project, there are already tools that circumvent any protections and can auto-track or do whatever the end user really wants. I mean, you could thereotically use a TAS to do randomizer..

I forgot who, it was in main lttpr server

10:09

Like display a message "hey nice autotracker" 1h in

Unless it was an actual dev on the randomizer, I don't care about that idea.

10:09

Because they almost certainly have zero clue what they're talking about.

10:09

The type of memory access this tool does is completely invisible to the game.

10:09

It has no idea.

I am not dev so I cannot judge

There is no code that could respond to it.

They just said stuff like tracker should respond to some things in the game, and that game could detect it, I think

I talked briefly about it, and the idea was to just patch the game to misrepresent game data in RAM in the normal locations, but do it in a way that isn't immediatly obvious

^ also that

But that's still just obfuscation

Could spot a few cheaters if that's the point still...

10:11

"got ether and marked ip as done? uuuh" (edited)

I find it funny that we're using the word "cheaters" here.

Having the game detect any type of tracking is obviously impossible

I can tell you about cheaters in rando, and map tracking is not it, lol.

Yeah, it is not

It's only cheating if it's against the rules, and yes, cheating with tracking is very much not a concern

Maybe I misused my words

10:12

I meant, if they want to disable it in races, it'd be cheating and spottable

10:12

For the rest, who cares ; normal roms would work fine

I want to make something clear - I could build my tracker to be effectively undetectable as non-human

10:13

It's easy

10:13

I'm not exaggerating

10:13

It's easy

It could also just be a separate setting, "ban autotracker" I guess

10:13

I don't know if you want or should do it

10:14

I am for the autotracker, and understand why people are scared, but I am not really good at helping to find solutions

Let's say I'm a bad person, and they statically shuffle the storage for this stuff. I can full clear the game in 2 hours. 2 hours is all it takes for me to fix the tracker to ignore the shuffle.

10:14

Let's say they DYNAMICALLY shuffle the storage, every time a seed is generated.

10:15

Well, the unshuffling exists somewhere.

10:15

I know SNES assembly, I'll find it eventually (edited)

10:15

Let's say they encrypt the shuffle table. Give me a week.

And that is the main argument towards autotracker

Wouldn't even need a week, since the game has to be able to decrypt it

If you can do it, why wouldn't other people do

set a breakpoint for when the game needs to use it, and just look at the tracelog

I was being extremely conservative, just to drive home that even a week is effectively no time. Realistically, you can't stop sufficiently determined bad people.

There would have to be some crazy scheme of moving the decryption code around, changing algorithm and keys, patching it in all kinds of different ways and constantly updating that code

Better to do what's possible in the open where most people will do it visibly.

hey emo, mind if i shoot you a dm real quick?

Go right ahead

10:17

The only other option is to ban it entirely.

10:17

Which btw, I'm fine with, obviously.

10:17

Since I effectively chose that for myself.

I agree though, in a case where things like this is readily available to a "bad" actor and it's not something that gives a huge advantage. Might as well make it easier for everyone to use it

10:18

I don't think there's any realistic way to ban it though, or I'd be against it too

Yup

Dark room thing is an issue, and the only one I see

The only difference between "banned" and "not banned" is what happens when people are inevitably suspected of doing it.

And Emo could just patch it I guess

It's still happening.

10:18

And lots of people will get away with it.

Like for anything

I'm fairly certain that if I really wanted to I could easily break whatever encryption is in alttpr and cheat my way to victory, and if I can do it I'm sure there are more people who can too

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Therefore autotracker has nothing to see with it, which is what I was saying since the beginning (edited)

Autotracker, and certainly my implementation for LTTP is the "nice version".

10:24

It basically tracks what there is to track without doing anything malicious.

10:24

Technically, it stops juuuuust short of that, because of the limitations in dungeons, but I made the choice not to do chest tracking in dungeons strictly so the UX between keysanity and standard is the same.

Programmers are like wizards, they scare population but they amaze it too

What would be a realistic way to allow auto tracking for items and not map tracking btw since that's the configuration I'd be most happy with for combo rando

10:26

I'd be willing to add some supporting SNES code to make that reasonable ofcourse

Not sure there's much better than obfuscation available, honestly, on the rom side. Certainly not without impacting in-game performance.

I mean I know it's technically impossible to prevent, but at least something to make it a reasonable effort to do it

I can easily only whitelist the memory segments for item tracking, but we know that's soft protection at best, and only for my software, unmodified. (edited)

10:27

Obfuscation would still be breakable, but it's at least a barrier requiring more significant effort to overcome.

I think that if it comes down to the level where 65816 debugging is required that's "good enough"

Agreed.

since anyone who can do that can break any kind of protection and do whatever anyway

10:28

I need to code some kind of protection anyway for combo rando race roms since the default alttpr encryption isn't in there

10:28

that code is somehow missing from the public randomizer github

10:29

I could reverse engineer it ofcourse, but might as well roll my own since I need to include SM items in it as well

I'm sure you could also talk to karkat/kc and get it, but whether that's even worth it/an appropriate solution or not is

Probably easier to just do something quick myself, I already have some code ready as well for SM that I used for the SM tournament rando so can build on that

10:32

not at all as complex as the alttpr stuff, but it's more than enough to fend off anyone without asm knowledge

10:33

and it's a lot faster

Playing a race rom probably costs actual seconds in the end for just decryption

rip everyone's pb? (edited)

Just play on a race rom every time, and it can be part of your PB.

I don't really get what the big fuss is about anyway. an autotracker will not make someone like me, who's never joined a lttp race before, win. it won't teach you about routing, it won't teach you about execution.

The best thing I've ever said about location auto-tracking is this: "Location auto-tracking is a great way to hundo every seed"

It eliminates user error on tracking

User error goes to zero with experience.

10:46

I would say I make a tracking error once every 2 months.

10:46

It's irrelevant.

Location auto-tracking is a great way to hundo every seed go on

Here's something people who don't think about usability and education theory don't think about

Because you just go to every location because it's open and think less about the actual routing/pathing?

When you are an active participant in a process, e.g. by clicking

10:47

You are significantly reinforcing your memory of the action

10:48

When information is populated passively in front of you, there is a loss there.

10:48

Your ability to pre-reason about the data is reduced.

10:48

It is very easy to become reliant on the tracker with auto-tracking.

10:48

And the tracker is dumb.

so you're more likely to forget about what you got where, because it's not relevant to the process

Yes. Also, you see piles of green, you want to go there.

10:48

Which makes perfect visual sense on the tracker.

10:49

But is not actually 1) an accurate weighted probability distribution for the available locations in the game, and 2) certainly not necessarily the right call

10:49

My point is, automation is not strictly your friend

10:49

It comes with a cost

Aye.

10:51

That's basically why I don't even like doing location tracking. It gets me thinking about boxes on the tracker instead of locations in the game and how they relate to each other. Which is fantastic for learning a game and gets in the way of actually being efficient.

The only issue that was brought up in the LTTPR discord that I think is unquestionably legitimate, though still insignificant, is the dark rooms item issue, which the rando devs fortunately agreed needs to be addressed in the rom.

10:51

Exactly Fylion.

Everytime I get DW access and look at my map tracker I need to process that VoO despite having three boxes is only three items, versus almost everything else

10:55

This is definitely something that needs experience to use well

10:57

The "area" it covers is interesting visually, but there are more items in single spots of less area, or dungeons

Sometimes I turn on a location tracker and click every green box just to get the satisfying feeling of clearing things.

10:59

Possibly the purest form of gamification.

It might become a problem though when someone decides to write some AI that actually calculates optimal routes to take built from statistics data for the randomizer and data for how long it takes to get between locations

11:02

But that's a problem for another time

Indeed.

feenSmug

(edited)

Deep Blue: Randomizer edition

LOL, "solving randomizer" is ~~a freshman level CS problem. I've written path planners orders of magnitude more complex at my day job.~~ a next-generation AI frontier that the greatest minds of our generation will be working on for decades. In many ways, its solution will likely guide the future of the species. (edited)

maxyyPog

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You shouldn't tell people that it's easy, this is obviously a job only deepmind can do!

⭐

Fixed.

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apt.

Well with that description, I'm gonna apply for 4 years of funded doctorate research on the subject

11:27

And play rando all day

haha, that edit

praise be to you EmoSaru, master coder

I wish you luck with your grant applications. Be sure to PhD up the title of your paper. "Principal Component Analysis of Spread-Spectrum Value Decay Equations in Randomized Zelda Games"

11:29

or some other such bullshit that makes no sense but looks good in a journal

That sounds like a dissertation I'd love to write

PCASSVDERZG

11:35

I thought you were going for something there but it just turned out to be ass.

haha

11:39

it has "ASS" in it

^Why we're friends

Because of ass?

There are plenty of asses in this community already, don't name your paper after em

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Don't forget sitting on it.

Dont forget that some smell like it

Yeah, we learned that again yesterday

Forget making a computer do the calculations for that, i can’t even do it myself yet LUL

LUL

that inability to figure out how the seed wants me to play cost me like half an hour on my last seed

Praise it

carciClench

What is the item that is automatically mark when I open the hamsda OoT tracker? Also what do the blue squares on the map mean?

One mo, haven't looked at it in a while. The blue squares correspond to the locations which good hints point to or locations where you can visibly see the item in a location but not actually acquire it.

18:03

That item is the Stone of Agony and it enables you to use Gossip Stones to read hints.

stone of agony is automatically marked, so hints are immediately shown, as the currently most popular settings include free hints

Without the Stone of Agony (or turning Gossip Stone hints to always-on) you cannot read the Gossip Stone hints

So how come it shows items i can get there, then when I turn it off, it goes away

Because you can't get items there

18:04

you can only learn what they are

18:04

"The blue squares correspond to the locations which good hints point to or locations where you can visibly see the item in a location but not actually acquire it."

Ah okay, ty

blue locations are locations where you can LEARN what the item is, but not actually pick it up. EmoTracker provides a "capture" slot in these locations so that you can mark down what the item is.

18:06

When you mark as obtained a location which you have "captured" an item at, it will automatically mark that item for you in your item grid.

18:08

If Tokensanity is enabled, all Skulltula locations which you can kill at range but not actually retrieve the item (due to not having Boomerang, Hookshot, or rarely other functions) these will also be captureable item locations.

I just find it odd that blue spots in dungeons don't allow you to select the big key as in the case of DP requiring boots. Though, I might have outdated packages.

How do you get Emotracker to appear on OBS

18:18

Cause it is not showing up as a window capture

it should be

18:19

in general

18:20

but you should also be pressing F2 to open Broadcast View

18:20

which, by design, has a static window title which will never change no matter what you do

Well I am using Streamlabs OBS version

18:22

nvm

Can't tell exactly which direction the scathing commentary is trying to cut

23:21

Alexa, track Byrna.

Oh freak voice controlled GWvickyKannaPeek

GWvickyKannaPeek

23:23

A dream

If voice control lets you add items to blue locations and stuff, that's actually super nice

"Alexa, mark Golden Gauntlets." "Ok, human, resetting your entire tracker to zero." "WAIT!"

Please do not make it respond tho lol

I don't mind tracking items I got but remembering every hint and visible item is a lot sometimes and writing everything down is a pain

The ideal solution would be short keywords

"What are those? "OK, Pegasus Boots Checked"

Thanks I hate it (/s)

capture hylia piece of heart

EmoTracker, Missile Pack EmoTracker, Missile Pack EmoTracker, Missile Pack EmoTracker, Missile Pack EmoTracker, Missile Pack

Clear Billy Mays

I don’t like this, I feel it takes away from the skill of clicking things with my mouse while playing rando LinkFace

LinkFace

I don't mind the background input stuff

In any case, I wasn't sold at first for a closed software that tries to be THE tracker to use, because open source is life. But damn @EmoSaru you're giving your all and that's pretty amazing

What pisses me off is that it opens contextual menus when I play

But more seriously, is there a list of canonical tracker item/location names?

Item names are what you see if you hover and wait forever for the toolltip

23:29

Location names are the names you see when opening the location tile

Fair

It'll work for any pack?

Yes, assuming the names are reasonable.

I’m guessing there will need to be some ambiguity name changes at some point

And for numerical items I can say Hey tracker, mark Missile as hundred ten? Not sure it is accounted as secundary

Nobody has done any optimization against this feature.

23:32

And nobody should expect any on any particular timeline.

23:32

This was a last minute thing.

I can imagine

the dream tho lol

Is there a ban against plugins that read out items as they’re picked up in game? For blind people you see LinkFace

LinkFace

Without doing any actual testing, I'd guess that the packs that would likely work best are the ones already optimised for chathud.

So if I edited a pack to have more chathud entries it'll work better?

No.

23:36

It uses the human readable names

23:36

Not the codes

23:36

The codes are less unique

I see, I guess I'll check when home

23:37

I already said that monday, please give me some time this time ;-;

This is not going anywhere

Please don't have community ruin good feature this time ;-;

Not going to be removed, it is salt proof? GWovoYayy

GWovoYayy

I am not removing it.

Assuming I may have a trash accent or something, if tracker doesn't recognize me, can I try to imitate the spelling of google or something?

23:43

I mean, on what does the tracker rely for recognition...?

The tracker uses built-in windows voice recognition

23:43

I have very little control over it

Windows', okay then

But, if this is popular, I will add support for additional locales, and for packs to include additional pronunciations

23:43

Neither is there right now

Not sure where to make it read stuff so I can listen for that one tho

Like I said - alpha software (edited)

You didn’t write your own voice recognition algorithm in two days? Lame

Yeah it's super cool

It’s probably really good for memorisation as well, vocalising works for me at least

I used to suck at this, but now with voice commands I feel like I have a keen unfair advantage. Thanks Obama

Well I confused a few voice recognition apps so let's hope :v

Just remember, this is alpha software. I expect it to struggle. It's also not my top priority to improve.

23:59

Some more casual players were genuinely excited about autotracker due to accessibility issues.

23:59

I had built this as an experiment MONTHS ago.

I was excited too despite sure not to use it for races

So, I decided to put it out there, as is, so that people who might need it can benefit from it.

00:00

I have no idea about the legality of this in races. Follow your community's rules.

I'll ask

I think anybody who uses it will find it's far from a time save, however.

00:00

Certainly in its current state.

If arguments made two days ago are any indication, some people will see this as the work of the devil

Some people can suck an egg.

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That’s also accurate

I care about accessibility far more than I care about opinions standing in the way of it.

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ssjSpikeChamp

1

As you should

About this

00:01

Do you know if I can make Emotracker not show a contextual menu while I hud something on it and play at same time?

Don't bind controls to keys that windows uses for standard control navigation

00:03

That is my response to that

Space bar

GWchinaDJeanneDespair

Yep

00:03

Standard windows behavior

Thanks then, gotta use the voice

Emo thank you. As a disabled gamer any little thing that helps out is awesome :)

I'm very happy to hear that @Kari (edited)

Hey EmoSaru, very interested in the vocal tracker; testing it out and it seems really cool already. Looked over the FAQ, is there support to mark dungeons as crystals/pendants, or did I miss that somewhere in the FAQ?

Mark Misery Mire as Green Pendant I assume

00:05

Secundary state?

That's a secondary state I bet

00:05

Like the medallion example

While done would just be "Mark Misery Mire"

so far I haven't been able to get it to respond to dungeons, unless I am enunciating wrong

Yes, it works like that.

00:07

I definitely make no claims of support for any particular voice at this point.

Do you have to say "mark MM"?

It's kind of an "if it works" thing

00:07

What are you trying to do?

00:08

"Hey tracker, mark misery mire as green pendant" should work

A funny feature would be to be able to name your tracker

I'll keep playing with it then, it's likely my enunciation then (or other room noise)

actually, hold a sec

00:09

this is a pack issue

00:09

give me a few minutes

no worries, still pretty excited about this, its pretty cool

this is fun to play around with

The windows voice commands only recognize voices like Goofy, so try throwing in some hyucks

@Amarith please restart the tracker and update to the latest version of my pack, and you should find that ALL dungeons allow marking properly (not just eastern and desert)

Thanks!

I was just messing with Windows Recognition and it's hilariously bad for my voice. As clear as Cortana and other devices can hear, Voice Recognition finds "great fairy sword" as "great ferry soared" .3.

it sucks at dictation

00:26

I build a grammar though, which lets it work a bit better

I see, I see

00:27

But yeah, even something as simple as "Hey tracker, mark Bow" isn't producing any results

00:27

I'mma try a few other packages

00:27

It's listening, but it's not recognizing '3'

say it like ow with a b

00:27

like your taking a bow

Nah, nothin'

hm

items do not response to mark

00:28

unless you are marking a secondary state

Ahh, I see

they respond to track

00:29

hey tracker, track bow

Track and mark both work?

track enables

mark is used for marking things, like secondary states on items, and items at locations

mark modifies

^

Ahh, still not getting results so far 'w';

"alpha software"

I know, I know ❤

Not sure what is different GWchinaDJeanneDespair

GWchinaDJeanneDespair

I'm not complaining about the software; if it works for others and not for me, the fact is it works.

how to mark for 5/6

Mark Turtle Rock as Red Crystal?

that worked

Here is an example of me doing things, in case it helps.

thorlarM

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this feature is real nice

00:36

00:37

also, came because I heard about it and randomly found the color profile for changing for colorblindness, so that was awesome too

Yeah, that actually worked. I guess I was being too slow.

Yeah, it requires some deliberateness, otherwise if I let it run too long it picks up false positives in my testing.

yo that's neat

finniky, but awesome

00:41

i got all items to enable

00:41

but its having issues marking certain dungeons as pendant/5/6

Have you update to the latest version of my pack?

00:41

Nothing but eastern and desert would update before

00:41

I fixed that

up to date

have you restarted the tracker to be sure?

yeah

it only checks for package updates at startup

00:42

ok

ill try again

00:43

ya, it can track but not mark

00:44

off a restart

try playing that command from my video through your mic

00:44

would be interested in the results

00:46

it doesn't say anything as a guarantee, but it's potentially informative

couldnt play the video into my mic, but it followed all my voice commands perfectly

still awesome though

can you do me a favor, and try marking eastern palace?

00:51

unless you already have (edited)

ya ep and dp mark no issues

Then you do not have the latest version of my pack

00:51

If other dungeons are not marking for you

00:51

You may be behind something that's caching things inappropriately

I wish I could do tests but I am only home in like 11 hours GWchinaDJeanneDespair

GWchinaDJeanneDespair

thats a possibil;ity

00:51

ok, time for a nuke

00:54

i love how uninstall and reinstall works randomly

Uninstall has a habit of breaking locks on files that are potentially open by some random shit

eh, i blame microsoft

Emo!

00:59

Thank you for all the hard work you put into such a great tracker sakuLove

sakuLove

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you know you've been coding too much when you first read that as "Errno"

Real savage, Emo

Thank you emo for such a lovely toy and feature, cant wait for it to test it tonight

I dont know about all this thanks for the tracker, im grateful for the sass. it fuels my cynical heart

I've never posted in here but lurked for a long time now. I just wanted to say @EmoSaru thank you for all your work. I've gone through many trackers and settled upon yours for many reasons. I'm sorry for the stress of dealing with communities and I hope you the best. Thanks for not just straight abandoning things and throwing up your hands cause looooord knows that's what I'd have done.

Voice tracking is too pure for this world barbLove

barbLove

It works great for me

Also flute is Ocarina. This is good to know before screaming "HEY TRACKER, FUCKING FLUTE GODDAMMIT"

bear in mind that some of these item/location names are WEIRD

06:49

On point example for #faq XD

“HEY TRACKER, FUCKING FLUTE GODDAMMIT" I think the more you cuss at it, the faster it should work. Shame the tracker into working properly.

I can't make it work ;___;

07:16

Does the voice tracker works only for ALLTP?

experimental feature and it might be probelems

07:31

obviously people managed to get it working but peps like me have problems getting it to work (edited)

Do the windows speech recognition training

thats working

08:27

its just the tracker wont react period

08:27

you can see the mic turn yellow

08:27

mine doesnt do that at all

What pack are you using, cryorus

'Morning Emo

Same as in your vid

10:09

tracker version 2.3.1.1 Standard Map Tracker

10:10

Reinstalled the pack multiple times

And your mic is not turning yellow?

nope

10:10

all other programms are fine

HAve you ensured that you have a default audio input device set in audio settings?

Default is the USB Audio CODEC

10:11

which is my UM2 interface

And you've verified that you can see the audio meter (in audio settings) move when speaking into it?

yep

10:12

and windows speech recognition is working

So as weird as this may sound, one person was having that issue and uninstalling/reinstalling helped. I have zero clue why, but you might want to try it.

I haven’t installed it yet, is there an option to select audio input device?

10:40

Because for various reasons I have virtual audio devices routing sound all kinds of ways

No, not in the this version.

10:40

This is basically a straight release of a prototype I'd done MONTHS ago.

10:41

Depending on how many people actually find it useful, I will consider developing it further. For right now though, it's more or less "as is".

Yeah, just checking

Does uninstalling EmoTracker as a whole touch the Documents folder part?

From what I’m seeing, it will be pretty popular though

10:42

So congratulations on the extra workload I guess Jebaited

Jebaited

@MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge no

Sweet.

@Zembar interest at release is not an indicator of long-term usage

Fair

10:43

But it’s a great feature

10:44

For multiple reasons

It's unfortunate that even if I migrated to the best voice engine ever, this still wouldn't work perfectly.

10:44

None of these things are designed to work with made up video game words

That’s the nature of things

10:45

Not much of current voice recognition can deal with the wide range of speech either

Yep. Anyway, work time.

I got off work three hours ago

10:46

I’m at free beer time

if i wasn't on call, i'd have one of those free beers

Is there a place I might find patch notes for particular packs, in particular the alttpr pack?

#pack-announcements if people actually write their notes down there.

Ah, thank you. Looks like the other patches seen lately were probably just "update to handle features now enabled".

That’s correct. Anytime I make logical or user-facing changes that affect usage, I always post them there.

Rock. THank you for that

12:13

actually I should go look at what the pack has in it I want to see what kind of crazy bonkersness I can get up to in there

Reinstalled tracker multiple times , still wont work

12:23

tried my old mic (usb) and also wont start recognizing voice or starting that in any way

12:24

Guess i will live without that

With respect to this feature, I'm literally calling a Microsoft provided function that is called SetInputToDefaultAudioDevice. That's the extent of my involvement in device selection/connection, so unfortunately I'm left to assume that it has something to do with your drivers or Windows audio configuration. Sorry I can't be of more assistance.

Going into audio device settings and verifying your preferred mic is the default input device is the best recourse

13:53

I’m generally good at this stuff, and I still ran into problems with noise in voice comms because windows silently decided to move default audio in from my mic rig to my webcam without telling me

default audio bounces around like flubber

Indeed

especially if you connect/disconnect anything ever

13:56

>flubber how many kids these days don't know what flubber is

It’s a remake of an older movie

remakes still kinda count but even that's pretty old

Me finding the remake “new” probably dates me then

Still Voice tracker not working for me

15:47

Am I doing something wrong?

Alpha.

Holy hell. Voice tracking is a great alternative when auto-tracking is hated.

HNCharlie try uninstalling and reinstalling emo tracker. I did and it started working

sarcasm on VoIce trAcKing GiVEs an uNFaIr aDvaNtage sarcasm off

10:13

If only i could get it to work...

Are you by any chance running non-english windows?

Voice tracking gives an unfair advantage for people who can speak

I am, german windows

11:19

Or at least german Installation

I have a feeling that is the issue.

11:22

And I think it's affecting a few people.

11:22

I have an update that MIGHT improve things slightly, but I have no idea.

Well i can only test it tommorow at earliest since I am on a trip right now

11:23

But how would that affect the recognition?

11:23

I know that russian characters sometimes can mess up file paths

There are no file paths involved in this code. The only way it would affect things is if consistently forcing the en-us locale for everything on my side allows the system to function on non-english installs. That's all I can do, so we'll see. (edited)

Lets hope thats it

I just want to say that I appreciate the attempt at an auto tracker Emo

12:00

sorry things didnt work out

The voice tracker is cool! I love it! My viewers might not, though x)

how does that work

12:24

just say where you found item x?

Pffft

12:33

Dont like

12:33

Who doesnt want someone scream "hey tracker track that god damn ocarina"

hey guys

Vitreous in Mothula's room.

I was so hyped about that voice-control idea! Until I realized I can't change the language of my windows 7 family edition. Meh, I guess that's one more argument in favor of me changing my old dinosaurish PC

how do i say aginah for the tracker to hear me? lol

04:55

love the functionality but the voice recognition needs to be less tight

Cant change that

05:23

Made up names are hard for voice recognition to get

Well, if there's a way to create aliases that are easier to say for a particular user, that'd help.

so, what happened? how did the google form affect the emotracker?

They still need to collect the data

The voice tracker will get support for alternative ways to say things at some point in the future. I’ve got a lot going on right now though, so I can’t commit to a timeframe for that.

Hey, is there anyway to install older versions of the tracker? The update requires some NET framework that apparently isn't compatible with windows 8

09:33

I looked around on the website, and found the newsletters, but no links to download.

You can download the last version I expect to work for you here from the link below. Bear in mind, I expect pack support to start degrading for that version over time, so be wary of updating packs. That is why I'm not posting that link somewhere particularly easy to find. https://emotracker.net/service/install/emotracker_setup_2_2_0_6.exe Just FYI, Windows 8 has effectively been abandoned by Microsoft - I strongly recommend upgrading to Windows 10, not just for compatibility with my tracker, but more importantly to ensure that you continue to be able to receive meaningful security and compatibility updates. (edited)

You can do this for free by searching for the windows 10 accessibility upgrade.

I’d also recommend upgrading from windows 8 because it’s terrible

8 was the forgotten stepchild

11:20

like vista

Like Star Trek movies, every other is a terrible mistake

11:21

If you include 98SE as a release

11:22

Special mention to xp64

98se was ok

That’s why it needs to be included

11:36

95, 98, 98SE, ME, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10

11:37

ME being by far the worst

11:38

It was the hybrid monster asking you to kill it because its existence was suffering

Do 2000 and NT fit in there somewhere? (just curious) (edited)

They were technically never part of the consumer releases

11:44

They were on the workstation track and only really merged in the xp era

11:50

On that track, 3.51 was pretty solid, then 4.0 was a sadmaker, and 2000 was pretty good except when users expected it to work as the desktop equivalents

11:51

Which was almost always

11:52

NT before 3.51 is best not to speak of

Ah, good knowledge; I appreciate the information.

ME was a mixed bag for me. First computer I had it on, it ran flawlessly. The second one was an unmitigated disaster.

Hello everyone

Need Alexa integration.

Alexa integration isn't possible currently, although if I ever start offering cloud services that require a login, then it would be.

That's 2 posts I've removed, dude. Don't make it a third.

Why not

I reckon it has something to do with the fact that we're a no-nonsense community. Just a hunch, really.

but sonic yoshi isnt nonesense

In the context of a server with over 6000 people in it, the primary purpose of which is providing support for people having issues with the application... Yes, it is.

Okay, so what the fuck?

13:50

The newest version isn't compatible with 32bit!?

13:50

How am i supposed to use the tracker now?

By entering the 21st and one-tenth century.

Har har, very funny. I can't afford a new computer

I also can't afford to continue supporting 32 bit, because it severely limits the availability of certain libraries that new features are being built around.

Are you sure you’re not just running a 32 bit os?

If you scroll up just a teensy bit in here, you can find the most recent version which supports 32 bit.

13:55

Support for it will degrade as new versions continue to be released.

13:56

But it's up there.

I'm pretty sure. It is a 10 year old laptop

13:56

Welp, i guess the tracker support is gonna slowly die out on me...

13:57

sigh alright, doesn't matter, thanks anyway

Sorry I can't be of more help.

I though ten years ago was already 64-bit era?

It's a laptop

But a windows 7 era laptop

I bought a fairly decent laptop about.. six years ago? 64-bit running Win8 for in the neighborhood of $400

There were still 32 bit devices in the early win7 era, although definitely not super duper common.

13:59

If you check what CPU you have, we could tell you for sure.

Win7 should have been able to tell you whether you were running on a 64-bit architecture but 32-bit OS, somewhere rather shallow in your system details

Intel pentium dual cpu t3400 2.16ghz 2.17 ghz

14:00

4gb ram

14:00

I truly doubt it's 64bit

It is

14:01

64 bit

14:01

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/35583/intel-pentium-processor-t3400-1m-cache-2-16-ghz-667-mhz-fsb-socket-p.html

Intel® Pentium® Processor T3400 (1M Cache, 2.16 GHz, 667 MHz FSB...

Intel® Pentium® Processor T3400 (1M Cache, 2.16 GHz, 667 MHz FSB) Socket P quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

14:02

Intel® 64 Yes Instruction Set 64-bit

I doubt it has the power and capacity to run 64bit

14:02

It's quite slow

If it runs slower it’s probably due to the low amount of ram

Yep

Otherwise it should run faster, in theory

I know

14:05

I used to have it on vista for 7 years

14:05

Updated it to 7 just a year and a half ago

well one reason why it's slower than it could be is because it's not utilizing the CPU's fully because it's simulating a 32bit environment for itself

07:18

it's just not using all the cores

it's not really simulating a 32-bit environment

07:55

it's just running in 32-bit mode

07:56

there's no real artificial slowdown, just not using the full potential of the instruction set and available registers

can anyone epxlain what orange square means on the map tracker??

In ALttP for example it means you can access the location but not complete it

15:10

like missing bow in Eastern

oh shoot. this is for OOT

same thing

but its the cow heart in lon lon?

Orange locations are mixed accessibility

there

you can get one or more items in that location pin, but not all of them

oh i see. cause i can get the free standing one, but I can't get the cows to give up there items

15:12

thank you

#faq

15:26

It's helpful to read an FAQ beforehand

but my F key is broken

15:28

i can't search

top right corner ?

Emo im finally getting around to messing with the voice integration stuff this owns and you rock

Glad you like it!

I've been thinking of doing some quality of life updates for the Metroid prime pack and one thing that irks me is the settings page. With how many there are, it takes up a lot of space and the window needs to be big to even get to all of them. I'd like to ask, would most of you who use the pack be in favor of splitting them up into different tabs or shrinking the text size? Would anybody be especially opposed?

As a non-user, I'd say separate the more advanced techs by category and the generic techs on a main logic page

I would not be opposed to having each settings section on a different tab

16:33

Expected tricks, OOB, and the other one

Cue Solski with a standard @everyone complaint emoji

I actually thought of him when I decided not to tag everyone, lol.

This is when a Nitro sub and an invite to Roo's server would be good

23:46

Bonk da ping! Bonk da ping!

BonkDaPing

There it is

Congrats Emo! This is seriously awesome

Hi everyone, love the tracker. Just had a question about voice control, it this a working thing? Like I could say a command and it will mark the items?

Yep

04:04

Read the #faq for instructions

Will do, thank you ❤

04:05

Im sorry I missed that

Still it wont work for me...

Hey. On the LttP Tracker. When you click some of the colored boxes, there is a square of just dotted lines. What's up with that? When you click it it opens up a little item screen thing.

Those are for areas where you can see what an item is, without necessarily being able to get it. If it's something you will/may want to get later, you can choose an item in the 'little item screen' thing, to remember what was there (and perhaps pin it, so it stays front of your mind)

Oooh. Okay. Thanks

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"not important" pft https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OGC.8a1b93b7d305611d0251f4efc1b809e4&pid=Api&rurl=https%3a%2f%2fmedia.giphy.com%2fmedia%2fgvrnmr6mzJXBm%2fgiphy.gif&ehk=VM7ge3HAm5RKH6%2f%2bPa%2fV2w

10:04

The work you do is awesome!

was going to fire up a randomizer run after such a long time. then while reading up on announcements, i saw autotracking being a thing, which made me happy ...then i saw the news afterwards biblethump

biblethump

Rest assured @Battle00333, I want it to be turned back on as much as anybody. I have confidence it will happen eventually, I just don't know what the circumstances surrounding it will be, lol.

i gathered that in your announcements

10:48

for me its not that I need it, though there are certainly people who do. but rather the fact it puts a big load off my back as it saves me the worry of forgetting to mark keys, or marking one too many. which is disastrous in keysanity

I just haven't updated yet..... I'm holding out.. whistles innocently

Just FYI, small keys are not auto-tracked in ALTTPR. (edited)

ah, still, only having to worry about tracking keys only, is taking off a load nonetheless

10:50

hows the inverted trackers currently?

They exist are work just fine.

10:51

For anybody interested... Fun fact related to my announcement post from last night. In the first 8 days of March, EmoTracker has already been launched almost 17,000 times.

blobcatgooglythumbsup

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10:51

For a niche application, serving a niche segment of a niche audience, that's pretty damn cool.

thats amazing

that is incredible rooLove

rooLove

whats the snes9x-rr in the connectors, for?

snes9x-rr is a forked version with support for lua scripts, which is needed for the autotracker.

but what if i already use a version of snes9x with lua suport? can i just remove it?

I'm a bronze boy once again \o/

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bronzest boy

@Battle00333 if you already use one, just load the lua scripts, but ignore the executable

13:44

that exe is provided because it's the only version I've done testing on

13:44

snes9x-rr support is experimental at this point

I wonder if my color shows up even in invisible mode

19:52

hooray

Just to be sure, is it me that has trouble with updates or is there daily updates recently?

There have definitely not been daily app updates. Are you talking about the app, or a particular pack?

At last, I have the power of Ctrl + z. Nothing will stop me now.

You've run out of undo buffer.

'Undoes the update' Oh no

Incidentally, that buffer is 250 transactions long.

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Jesus, so generous!

21:26

21:27

I imagine it's because you're indexing those transactions with a uint8 variable? (edited)

an undo button

21:27

Gasm

~~so basically it's just long enough for LttPR and about nothing else~~

in the last week, each time I've opened up the tracker, I had a message saying there is an update and suggesting me to install it, which I did every time. I was surprised how often it happened, so I was curious about if it was normal or not

Updates have been quite prolific this past couple of weeks

yay control z powers active

if it's normal, then it's alright

I just know my PC has problem at times, so I wanted to be sure it wasn't an issue on my side

21:33

ok, there is a problem on my side, it is now clear. I've installed the last update, closed and restart the tracker and I'm prompted to install an update again

EmoSaru Today at 9:24 PM Incidentally, that buffer is 250 transactions long.

Buzzfeed headline: EmoTracker adds transactions! Rando now pay to win?

21:39

Kappa

GWrjkSeemsKappa

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Transaction: A programming term that refers to a model of processing related changes atomically that unfortunately also happen to be attached to people taking your money for small things in questionable games

(edited)

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22:11

The fucking notification win't go away

Discord is dumb?

yeah that's a discord thing. especially mobile

Given that Discord has gone dumb, I will no longer be tagging everyone for application updates. There is a new role reaction bot menu in #welcome. Anybody who wants to get pinged for application updates can now opt in there.

Didn't work

that wouldn't really "help" those that want to get pinged and encounter the bug. Good addition though

Hmmm

EmoTracker: app-updates: Maximum of 0 roles allowed in this group

one sec

22:37

try it now

Cool

22:38

worked

Does the undo also include accidental refreshing. happened to me the other day cus i got the puase button bound to F4

22:58

OOF

No.

22:58

Although I assume you meant F5

22:58

and to be clear, refreshing clears the undo history

my pause button is bound to F4. i accidentally hit F5 in the process of pausing

Love the Patreon idea EmoSaru. I threw in 100 pennies in support of your hard work.

If I start a seed but don’t finish can I X out of the tracker and pick up where I leave off the next time

12:53

Or is it all or none

You can save your progress #faq

Doh I should’ve checked there thank you

13:25

Looking on there

Thx

So I'm like 20 hours into a Zootr - Don't set your songs to appear anywhere in the world, it's silly. Does anyone have recommended settings for ZOOTR?

The ZOOTR discord would be the place to ask this.

hey emo, you said that the undo function was coming because it was made easy by a larger feature implementation. has that feature been released?

No. Trust me, I’ll announce it when it does.

10:09

And it’s not that undo was made easy. It’s that the ability to do it is a side effect of the work for the bigger feature.

no problem, i was just wondering if it had to do with auto tracker or some of the other things recently released

No.

and yes, your wording is better than mine. sorry about that

Hey, I'm having a problem with the newest version of the tracker

12:41

The 2.3.2.5 version, it updated all nicely and dandy, but now it won't even launch, when opening the task manager it appears for a split second before vanishing

Do you know what version of the tracker you were running before? Are you on 32 bit windows?

I'm on a 32 bit Windows (I believe)

12:42

previously, I wasn't being able to open it either, but now it did

12:42

but when I updated it

12:42

it didn't launch again

32 bit Windows is only experimentally supported at this point, and from the reports I'm getting, it sounds like "not really supported".

hmmmm

12:43

well the last version I ran without trouble was the 2.1.0.8

Yeah. 32-bit support was dropped several versions ago.

12:45

While you can run old versions, support for them will degrade, because they will not be updated with new features that updated pack versions will require.

I see, well too bad I guess :/

I may put in a bit more effort into trying to get it working in the next few weeks, but honestly, it's getting harder to support reliably as we incorporate more features. At a minimum, auto-tracking will effectively never be supported on 32 bit windows.

Oh, I didn't got to use the auto-tracking yet, is that some of the trackers are only avaliable on your tool, unfortunally I have to update it, and then it happens

12:47

:/

I strongly recommend upgrading to the 64 bit version of your OS if you have any choice in the matter.

12:47

That advice goes far beyond being able to use my tracker. (edited)

Is that even possible with an old computer like this?

12:48

well I believe this is beyond the tracker matters

Depends how old.

thank you anyway, I didn't thought that I would received an answer so quickly

12:49

ah

12:49

2013

2013-era CPUs were almost universally 64 bit, unless they were using old CPUs

Oh, interesting, however I don't know what are the risks of updating

There are very few risks, outside of needing to reinstall your operating system.

the only true risk is if you have some old specialized hardware without 64 bit drivers, but

12:51

2013 was well into the 64 bit age

12:51

i'd find a friend who has some good expertise, have them look at your computer, and help you determine whether everything has 64 bit drivers available.

it has a processor of 64 as base

12:54

well, thanks for the support, but I don't think I have the way to do this at the moment, but who knows, maybe someday I'll find a way to make it compatible

12:54

thank you

anyone playing the lttp super metroid randomizer ?

Currently, in general, or other?

20:32

Regardless of the answer to the question, there is in fact a Discord for any game-specific questions for the crossover.

Or #off-topic

@Arthur Young and any other 32 bit Windows 7/10 users... I believe the update I just pushed should actually allow you to load the tracker. All functions except auto-tracker should work, though I cannot offer specific support at this time for voice tracking on Windows 7 (it may or may not work for you).

22:26

Given that the app likely does not start for you with an existing install, you would need to reinstall from https://emotracker.net/service/install/emotracker_setup.exe

22:28

Tagging @bombonfun and @Minty who are the other two recent 32 bit users I can recall.

Yeah, hi good morning

I'll give that a go

00:50

Alright, working for me :D

Is autotracker still a thing in the software?

04:39

Or it was completely removed?

Emo still has the code; it still exists. However, autotracking is not currently enabled for any of the supported games.

well, it's there for super adventure island 2

AFAIK, it's been implemented for LTTPR and Super Adventure Island 2. It's disabled for LTTPR right now due to community admin decision, and pending another admin decision or a decision by me based on the lack of a decision.

Meetings...about having more meetings... to discuss what the meeting will be about

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But we cant just have a preliminary premeeting meeting if we havent planned how to go through with it

can anyone tell me the chat command for the red boomerang?

In my pack? !hud red_boomerang or !hud redmarang

ty!

i dunno where to put this so i'll put this in here

14:36

i created a Dungeon Entrance randomizer variant for Hamsda's OOTR tracker, so if anyone is willing to test it (edited)

14:36

https://github.com/Edos512/OoTRMapTracker

Edos512/OoTRMapTracker

OoT Rando Map Tracker pack for EmoTracker. Contribute to Edos512/OoTRMapTracker development by creating an account on GitHub.

any updates on a potential Metroid Prime 2 randomizer tracker with maps?

I'm still interested, still trying to work out how to move the logic to EmoTracker, and still swamped with other work. It will probably be a very long time before a map tracker for that game will be done with logic implemented by me or anybody else, but I'll see what I can do about an items only tracker in the meantime.

Autotracker hype?

Will have to wait to see what emu does.

19:34

It's up to he to enable it, if that is what she wants to do. (edited)

hopefully it will be reactivated

Hopefully we will get a decision one way or another soon

19:38

Yea then all I'm waiting for is the sd2snes pro to get support with the usb2snes software

you don't need a pro

19:38

i'm using it now on a standard sd2snes

Yea, but I have a pro

19:38

And it's not supported

oh lol

I just got it a week ago

i wonder how many people ordered one not realizing that.

Didn't own a normal one.

19:39

Just so happend I stated looking at them when the pro just released

i hope snes classic support comes soon - autotracking is going to be so useful for me!

i mean, you made the smart choice

(i know its up to the crowd control devs)

I'm avoiding a massive tag with this one, but FYI the LTTP auto-tracker has been re-enabled. Make sure you're running the latest version of the app, and update to the latest version of my pack.

ablobhype

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oh no, crowd control devs don't write the driver

will you have a version of the script for snes9x?

they use an existing one.

The CC devs are absolutely working on the necessary stuff for SNES Classic.

19:41

The situation is different on SD2SNES.

oh we're talking about two things

19:41

sorry, i probably responded tot he wrong thing

19:41

and was thus wrong

@Noface There is an experimental snes9x-rr script included.

nice thanks

From what the crowd control devs have said, the guy who does the usb2snes software is waiting for the source to. Be released for the pro. It hasn't yet.

it might sound stupid but would there be a way to use it with a snes classic?

Once that happens support should be quick

There is currently no support for SNES Classic. You can try using the qUSB2SNES host app, which attempts to emulate the sd2snes usb firmware protocol on the snes classic, but I have no idea to what extent it is functional, I have not tested it, and I will not provide support for it. Use at your own risk

fyi, autotracker in VMWare Fusion VM?

19:46

works perfect

Also works great in VirtualBox, for anybody who's trying to save a buck.

Just as a hypothetical, isn't the issue with knowing what you obtained in a dark room irrelevant anyway since you can just open the item menu?

There is a time savings associated with not having to open the menu. IMO, it's mostly theoretical, since looking at the tracker to figure out what you got ALSO takes time, but it is the one concrete issue of "advantage" that was raised that I put any weight on. It's valid, even though I believe it's insignifcant.

I made the argument in the crossover discord that we ought to just completely remove the guessing game of "what did I get in the dark"

20:10

by way of temporarily enabling the lamp cone

20:10

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The issue is going to be addressed in a future revision of the LTTP randomizer, so at this point it's just a matter of time before it's resolved.

With the announcement on Speed Gaming Discord, might we see auto tracker being re-released?

20:19

Mean ALTTPR Dicord

It's released. #announcements

missed it. cool

Is there a Majoras mask items tracker?

There is.

@Natalie where is it lol

20:23

Or the easiest way to find it

Like all packages, in the package manager.

20:24

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@EmoSaru is that an app??

EmoTracker is a downloadable program

It's literally in the tracker. If you've downloaded any package before, it's the first thing you do after installing.

I will try it on snes classic and keep you updated ^^

I can confirm that auto tracking works on snes mini

works like a charm too

Nice! Good to know

I love testing things like that, if it can help others too it's even better

21:03

https://github.com/Skarsnik/QUsb2snes

Skarsnik/QUsb2snes

A Qt based webserver for usb2snes. Contribute to Skarsnik/QUsb2snes development by creating an account on GitHub.

21:03

here's the link for the app if anyone is interested

Can you please write a single summary post about how it works, including that link, in #autotracker-support ? I will pin it.

yeah sure it would be my pleasure ^^

Thanks!

it's done @EmoSaru

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QUsb2Snes also includes Retroarch support btw for anyone who prefers to use that emulator

00:12

I spent some time a few weeks back to improve it and make that work pretty well hopefully

Yeah, I saw you got thanked in the release notes.

retroarch support should work on OSX as well, but the official retroarch build for OSX doesn't include network commands

01:21

so a custom build is needed for that

01:22

One fun thing about the retroarch support as well is that since it's network based, you can connect it to a remote retroarch

01:22

I haven't tested it, but it could be possible to for example connect to retroarch running on a RPi and then do autotracking over the network from a PC

Interesting. I wonder how many platforms we'd be able to support that way.

Long-term, I'm hopeful that we'll get native connectorlib support for more of these platforms, because there are benefits to full support for that API (atomic bit operations, etc.).

01:53

That said, it's a nice solution for now, and the SD2SNES protocol is pretty decent, all things considered.

Really thanks for all you did Saru

The plan for QUSB2SNES at least is to report back capabilities of the target device in some kind of consistent manner

02:56

so then you can know if you can do direct RAM writes or will have to rewrite it as CMD packages

02:57

I implemented some early detection in my JS code for it and it works pretty well, I just checked some of the flags that the actual sd2snes device reports back in the Info query that none of the emulated platforms set

02:58

It should be easy to get connectorlib to do that as well I suppose

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how do i get emo auto tracker to work on snes9x?

there is an experimental script that works, you will find it in announcements

im trying bizhawk now... how do i make the tracker auto?

We seem to have a channel dedicated to autotracker support

07:11

and it seems to have instructions in the pins

Only seems, it's unsure then GWchinaSakuraThinking

GWchinaSakuraThinking

thanks. i checked the website and the faq but neither of those says how to actually use it :\

Hi all, I recently updated me Emotracker and now my map tracker is super tiny and my pinned locations window is really huge. How can I fix this?

do you have any overrides?

We're figuring it out in #general-support

Emo, thank you for your work on autotracking - finally got a chance to play with it in ALTTPR and it's an enormous quality-of-life upgrade

where do i do the thing for autotracking

12:18

also, i wish the tracker let you choose directory for updates

12:18

it just defaults to C for me, even though thats not where my actual directory is :/

There's instructions for setting up autotracking in the pins in #autotracker-support

there we go

Hey EmoSaru, I loved the new update to support the 32 bits, thanks a lot, you are the best

Heya! I made a tracker for the Metroid: Zero Mission randomizer. How do I go about getting that put in the package list?

Tangential to this, can someone give me an example of the settings they use to color key the broadcast view for their OBS? Everything I've tried leaves the ALTTP items washed out a bit.

It is highly recommended to use NDI, then you don't have to color key at all.

sorry, acronym?

Details here: https://emotracker.net/blog/2018/09/13/emotracker_2_1_release_notes/

EmoTracker v2.1 Release Notes

i actually don't know what it stands for, but yeah, Emo explained how to set it up very nicely

15:55

Network Device Interface figured the N part but there ya go

yeah, can't use that. seems that emotracker detects obs processes to start the NDI Stream, which doesn't work across the chasm of virtualization

It’s not process based

16:22

It happens over the network

16:23

You’ll need to adjust the network configuration of your VM potentially

that was my first assumption

16:23

so i changed the nic to bridge mode. lemme verify that i assumed correctly what fusion calls what mode

If you feel stuck with color keying, you should look for a color that isn't used among any of the items in your broadcast view, such as #FF00FF. It shouldn't leave anything "washed out" if configured correctly.

Also, when color keying, I recommend overriding the broadcast layout and disabling the drop shadow

16:25

Otherwise it’s very difficult to pull a clean key

yeah ok bridge mode is on, VM is on same subnet as host. turned off windows firewall and mac firewall.

16:27

and one of those did it

16:27

now let's undo all those changes one at a time....

network debugging, yay

well, t'is my job so

16:28

i'm okay with this dot gif

nice

ok. i made a poor assumption about the NDI plugin UI in OBS, that if it detected a source, it would automatically use it

16:31

anyway, this is fantastic.

Yeah, NDI is pretty great. It has some chroma sub sampling issues with some of the small text we use, but by and large, it’s

well, it's better than color key by a long shot

That’s for damn sure.

i wouldn't be mad if NDI support made it's way into livesplit but that's another github issue for another project.

Finally reinstalled EmoTracker clean today, now its up to date

15:49

peposmug

Solski always looks like he's got an evil plan but in fact it's totally normal

15:50

looks like Gru

Its been a hot almost year since I've been able to update it

15:51

Kept stalling on installing the update, so it would show "updates available" even though i clicked install 40 times

I'm so glad that you ever mentioned that during that whole year that it was happening...

Sounds like another candidate for the Soul Destroyer role

@EmoSaru you should know by now that the appropriate troubleshooting step for everything is "ah fuck it, ill figure it out later"

No, no...

18:45

That's the programmer's workflow.

Is there like a guide for setting up the autotracker somewhere?

Pinned in #autotracker-support

I think I'm gonna track where I get items now

Question, one thing that I ran into when I used the tracker was if I needed to UNDO a right click on the map (clearing a location) is that possible?

Yes, you can undo with CTRL+Z, the usual Windows shortcut.

weird, tried that

Make sure you are running the latest version, 2.3.3.0, and that the window actually has focus

Wasn't up to date, was running an older version, thanks!

Youre welcome

15:57

peposmug

15:57

Tracker kept working for me. So it wasnt really an issue until now.

Does anyone have a guide to set up autotracking?

12:12

I just now saw a support channel

There's some guides pinned in #autotracker-support

so, playing SMALTTP with gilgatex's tracker, and the update makes all the lttp locations offset, its hilarious and bad at the same time.

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@Gilgatex ^

Upscale your map image by 33%

in short, you'll have to either scale the map graphic up or scale down your locations

how would i do that?

22:34

ill also note the SM map is fine

I'm not sure how his trackers files are laid out so I can't really help you.

the previous package was fine also should be noted

22:38

so it was something with the recent update i think

This was caused by the most recent EmoTracker update and is known.

ah

22:38

well thern

Given that we found another pack with the issue, I've pushed an update that has a toggle to use the old behavior for broken packs. If you encounter a broken map, turn off Gear Menu > Layout > Map DPI Awareness, and reload the pack. You can save/reload across this to preserve progress. I will remove that option once all the packs have been fixed (most have). (edited)

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doing a reset of my os's default files fixed it

What is ChatHUD?

allows mods to track for you in chat

06:45

more details can be found in #faq by searching for chathud

Not just mods

11:12

Anyone you whitelist too

what is this chat for

General... chatting?

...specifically pertaining to EmoTracker though.

Does anyone know where I can get information on how to setup the auto tracker for lttp

depending on your setup, the first place to go is #faq and the second place to go is #autotracker-support and check the pinned posts

thanks

20:24

I'm not finding the information I'm looking for.. sigh

20:24

Is there no simple breakdown of how to set it up? I remember there was like a month ago, that's how I got it working before

Check the pins in #autotracker-support. (edited)

thanks I figured it out, forgot where that "connector" script was located

Good to check that why is the map locations funky and to find the solution from this chat

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I don't like that look

00:46

what are you up to

Deleting useless messages that don’t belong here

And here I thought you were going to slip a light mode theme into EmoTracker for April 1

Nah, Discord killed light mode.

light mode is a sin upon my eyes.

which reminds me, can I rely on the tracker only having night mode when writing text on icons? I mean, can I just write them in white without other consideration?

You can choose any background color you like. Just be aware that anyone can change it via an override. The best solution would be to have an outline of a different color on your text so it's always visible.

since this isn't a support question, I'll ask it here. Emo, how come some checks such as checkerboard cave, graveyard ledge, and south of grove show up on both the light world and dark world maps?

I assume it's because you can only reach those from the dark world, so it's a reminder to route those in with other nearby dark world checks.

21:26

Just like smiths and purple chest have both light and dark world locations.

Lake Hylia Island does too.

So I'm pretty new to using the tracker and I was wondering something. In the dungeons it only shows a few of the chests. Does it only track non-key, dungeon items (compass, map, big key)

Wrong channel, and please specify a pack.

How about giving some actual general support?

14:47

In packs/variants which list dungeon chests as a stack and do not provide tracking for Keysanity, the chest count is a count of all unique item checks within the dungeon. That is to say, there are that many randomized items in the dungeon itself. It will not include small keys, big keys, maps, or compasses.

14:48

In packs which list dungeon chests as a stack and do provide Keysanity support, this is a count of all item locations within the dungeon.

14:49

Packs which list chests individually in dungeons do not differentiate between dungeon items and item pool items.

14:50

LttP does not, to my knowledge, have a pack where chests are listed individually.

Thanks for the help Natalie. I am using the EmoTracker official ALTTP. It does not seem to have individual chests. just the numbers of chests in a dungeon

That will be the number of items from the item pool you will find in the dungeon.

14:54

If you're in a dungeon and you pick up an item which is neither a key, map, nor compass, you'll tick one chest off.

14:54

It's a helpful reminder that you can bail once you've picked up the last item in a pendant dungeon.

thanks for the tip

Unless it's a pedestal seed lol

Unsure if this has been addressed, but there is a new skip for inverted and likely for normal play in LttP. East dark world is accessible via bomb jump and fake flipper

In short, that "turns the entire dark world yellow".

17:37

That's why it's not acknowledged in tracker logic.

That skip is now easy enough that I've considered adding it, but yeah, as a general rule, that's the type of skip I expect people to play beyond the tracker on.

18:16

At a certain point, if you're gonna play with fire, just enable show all locations and always allow chest manipulation

18:16

Or better yet, don't use a location tracker

Fair point

heyo

23:33

can someone help me out real quick

"Don't ask to ask, just ask."

23:34

Can we get that nailed up somewhere in the entry hall?

can someone teach me how to set up the auto tracker lol

Pins in #autotracker-support are a great place to start.

hey i need some help with the Entrance Tracker in Alttp. Can i Connect the Entrances? For exampel: Found Race Game Entrance and it leads me to Hype Cave. can i mark this with a Letter or a Colour? this would be nice

When asking for help with particular packs, I recommend asking in #pack-support and tagging the pack author.

ah ok thanks

@MacAttack519 is it possible you just muted the emulator at some point?`there shud also be an audio option there too

yeah I must have muted it in the emulator options forever ago

00:06

am good now though, thanks!

00:13

I keep getting this "Failed to load block" Message pop up in game. What's that about?

no clue, but it doesnt seem to do anything

00:26

i think it might be related to the tracker sometimes reverting when exiting to menu

Ignore it

It has nothing to do with exiting to menu.

00:40

Also, please, #autotracker-support exists for a reason.

hello everyone. me and some of my friends have been experimenting with some oot randomizer on oot online, and I was wondering if anyone had any knowledge of how to sync a tracker across multiple users, or if anyone knows if such a thing is possible. if not ill figure out something that will work.

Linked tracking is on the to-do list, but can't currently be done.

thank you. I might literally just make a virtual host and VNC it to all my users. something that will work for now at least

OoTR works like co-op in LTTP i assume, itemwise? if so, then if autotracking was a thing for OoTR, then synced tracking wouldnt be neccessary i dont think?

@Battle00333 you are right, because they do share an item pool. I have been playing matches with 5 plus people however, and to me its more important that everyone is able to SEE what still needs to be done. OOT is much bigger than alttp, and with as many as 5 people doing things it would be really hard to communicate from one person to 5 even with autotracking what still needs to be done (edited)

One thing Emo's got planned for the linked tracking is the ability to sync notes as well.

16:00

Which is why the notes have the unimplemented option for a user profile picture.

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i like the notes, they help alot in entrance randos

what was the fix for the LttSM tracker (edited)

Map DPI Awareness. Turn it off and refresh the pack.

scaling issue*

11:04

thanks

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is this a sneaky way to tell me to ask my friends via the friends button

No, but that's not even the friends button. It toggles the Discord member list.

oh so it is an incentive to click on your name to spam dms irisisThink

irisisThink

Tossing around the idea of at least looking into what maintaining a pack would be like.

it's not too hard really

I'd recommend just downloading some packs, extracting them (they're just .zip files), and having a browse through the folders to see if everything makes sense. Just make sure you delete the folder after you're done so you don't end up with a pack mysteriously not updating.

Nah, I get that much. I just haven't had much of a reason to get off my ass and actually look at all of it, since I don't currently play anything that doesn't already have a decent tracker for it.

18:08

JSON isn't black magic, I've fiddled with Lua in the past for other reasons, and I'm sure it's all relatively easy to follow.

FYI, I believe somebody has already been in contact and there are plans for somebody to take over the pack. I'm not announcing anything because that's for them to do once it's sorted.

I could probably guess as to who all might have jumped on it, really.

~~mike~~

Lol. Actually, not I, at this time. Lots of bus driving and many other code projects I’ve found myself in. Oh, and, rearranging the house again.

Bus driving?

Not many people know that, but most buses have actual people driving them.

I actually thought he was using slang. Also I am on a bus at the moment and can confirm that the driver exists

@Vornicus When I’m not at home writing code for fun, I drive a bus to make a paycheck.

aha

08:57

non-slang bus driving indeed

why does emotracker say i can do digging game when i dont have the shovel?

You don't need the shovel for digging game. You're given one to use for the duration of the game

wait

10:10

oh i never knew that

10:10

lmao

The shovel only has one purpose in the vanilla game, to dig up the flute. The flute replaces it in vanilla, so Nintendo couldn't make it a requirement for the digging game. (edited)

ohh right

10:14

sucks it was swamp palace compass

i got tripped up by that on my first rando playthrough as well

That goes nicely with my classic “I can’t go to Zora, I need flippers to do that!”

hey everyone. is there a way of reverting an update on the Hamsda Map & Item Tracker? i had a saved multiworld game on there and now i can't open it since updating

@Gilgatex Thank you for making the SOTN Tracker! Its looking great!

Seems I missed all the vlad locations... oops. Working on an update now

Hi

Hello, just began using the tracker, finally something with a save feature for casual playthroughs.

How often do yall seem to run into dead seeds? Granted I am still new to this but I have a file that I think is a deadend seed. Is there somewhere I should post it for study or something?

Assuming you are talking about ALTTPR, I don't believe there are any softlocks known at this point, and you're probably better suited to the ALTTPR discord for this question. If you post the seed there, and explain where you are stuck, I can look to give you some advice.

Alright cool.

I just beat that seed I mentioned because I lost track of a thing lol. The tracker is super helpful tho! I don't get stuck nearly as often.

Tracker's only as aware as the person using it.

12:33

Unless you use the autotracker.

Even then.

12:33

It's still not completely aware.

Yeah, I remember one time I was using the items only pack, then got stuck and switched to the map tracker with autotracker to try and figure it out. Didn't help because I forgot to remark the crystals and pendants, so pyramid fairy wasn't showing up as an available location.

Is there a way to change the size of individual windows, for example the map on the tracker?

The map is generally the one item designed to scale with the size of the tracker window itself.

I'm assuming there's no way to change in non-windowed mode

it would probably help if you showed the issue with a screenshot

13:33

#customization-support sounds like your destination

If you are running the app fullscreen, the layout is effectively fixed. That said, you can customize it using JSON overrides. Feel free to explore #customization-support

Is there an iPad version of emo tracker?

Windows only, sorry.

No. It is Windows only and there are no plans to port it.

Thanks

got a simple items/locations tracker working locally for ff1 randomizer

finished said tracker with a variant for the treasure hunt flag https://github.com/zerilan/FF1-Randomizer-tracker

zerilan/FF1-Randomizer-tracker

simple ff1 randomizer package for emotracker. Contribute to zerilan/FF1-Randomizer-tracker development by creating an account on GitHub.

If you are interested in publishing it via the package manager, please let me know via DM.

Is there any kind of save option for the trackers?

Yes. Emotracker uses the usual Ctrl+S and Ctrl+O shortcuts to save and load. #faq (edited)

Great. Thank you

click the gear, Application>File>Save

22:36

i tend to save only when the game saves

I just overwrite to be safe

I was wondering in the map tracker what was the yellow square

#faq , bottom of first post.

Thanks!

What does each color box mean?

14:41

Like Green means I can get it, Orange means I can get some

14:41

But what is Blue?

14:41

and Yellow?

It's in #faq. First post. (edited)

Oh, sorry.

And also was the last question asked in this channel.

Sorrry, was in a rush because I'm streaming

Oh, ta.

Aw, no Android version, and I don't really have PC access. Ah well.

Do you have a layout or hint to play with emotracker and map opened on a single display ? I dont succeed to show all things on the screen

03:11

I pin Emotracker to left side and my emulator is in windowed mode on the right

03:35

And everything else around the emu (livesplit, hexchat, notepad)

@Ninbanok :-) do you use the map too ? Or only items Tracking ?

Yeah I use the map too

I will try to do that but I have a little screen. Thanks :-)

@Ninban On the left part of the screen, you put the map part (2 maps) and below item part ? (edited)

04:29

And on the right part the emu (edited)

My items get put on the left automatically

05:05

Then the two maps one below the other

05:05

But it may be due to my screen size idk really how Emotracker does resizing

Ok. I will try thanks.

05:06

I am on holidays.. I dont have my second screen and I want to play :-)

Is there an auto tracker tutorial somewhere?

There's setup instructions pinned in #autotracker-support

I need help my tracker isnt picking up anything i say for exemple Hey Tracker Track Bombchus

#voice-tracking-support

Support channels are key and should be looked at, as it's likely most questions will have answers there

I just installed it and the lttp+SM map, but when I load it, it only shows the items.

19:25

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that's the wrong package

fouton's tracker does not include the map

look for one that has map support

19:29

it has a little icon of a map on it

19:29

like, one of the trifold maps

19:29

if memory serves that's the icon

Yassssssss thank you! I've been at this thing for an hour and now I just feel like a bit of a dumby dumb ><

with OOT how do i chose a specific stone/emblem? most of them are multi

right click. next time, #pack-support

sorry

Fire rod + flippers gives initial access to ice palace, turning it orange. Add hammer and keys and it turns yellow, meaning you can get to the boss. And finally with the hookshot it turns green.

...yes?

Depending on big key placement, someone could lock themselves out of the right side of Ice Palace, in which case they'd need hookshot to logically full clear. That's why it's yellow until you get the hookshot.

We've been over that discussion a few times by now, really.

17:34

Particularly in keysanity logic.

17:35

If you need someone to spell out the logic for you, that's on the LttPR discord or the SMZ3 crossover discord, depending on who you're playing with.

This is my current equipment in my LttPr playthrough. The map tracker says I have clear access to the Village of Outcasts. I have absolutely no idea how to get there, since no hammer. LUL

LUL

(edited)

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proabably better ask it in AlttPR discord

aga portal + hookshot

03:12

http://alttp.mymm1.com/holyimage/z3r-pyramidescape.png

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Thanks @A System of Vibrant Colors !

You're welcome

very much better suited for the game discord

04:39

ask there about how/if things are in logic, THEN bring it here if there's a tracker issue

very new to using a tracker - does it work with the snes9x emulator?

16:20

if not which emulator would be recommended?

EmoTracker is a standalone application. Auto-tracking functionality requires additional setup with specific versions of specific emulators, detwiled in the pins in #autotracker-support

16:23

Unless you are using auto-tracking functionality, you have to tell the tracker what you have. The tracker only knows what you tell it you have.

thanks

Can I use the tracker with retroarch? Like the robot automatic one. (edited)

That is not supported, as I do not believe RetroArch has lua support

Retro arch works, apparently (I have not personally tested it) with qusb2snes, which can emulate the sd2snes protocol on retroarch.

is this tracker just for zelda i play ff randomizer

There's packs for 3 different ff randomizers available

i downloaded the tracker is there a way to use with the randomizer i use

11:53

is there a map for the final fantasy randomizer

there are three different final fantasy randomizers supported

12:01

i'd wager at least two of them have map-enabled packs

You... literally just repeated Palm_, Natalie. Lmao.

that's what happens when you ask the same question

16:25

you get the same answer

yeah two of them have maps (mine doesn't)

17:08

I think ff4's has map anyway

17:08

actually no, just 5s has map-tracker

17:10

I don't really plan on adding a map for the ff1 tracker in the near future

There is a map-enabled FF4 tracker in progress.

ah

17:13

adding map stuff looks fairly time consuming

It can be, yeah (edited)

Having done it, I can assure you that it's far less time consuming than building a solid system for doing it, with logical access support, yourself...

Well, yes. And I can only speak for myself, but I'm incredibly grateful that you were willing and able to put a tool like this out there for us to play with.

Hmm.. my googlefu is bad. I have a rough idea, but is there a place I can specifically find what the colors on the SMZ3 tracker means?

#faq

00:25

it's the same for every package

Very awesome stuff with the new update to EmoTracker, addresses every single concern of mine. Thanks Emosaru (and whoever else helped). (edited)

Seconded. Good update.

I'm at my mom's for dinner and it just occurred to me to ask now, is there a pack for Symphony of the Night? It has a fun randomizer I've been playing.

Yes.

18:01

https://puu.sh/DrxZO.png

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A great way to check if there's a pack is to open the tracker and then open the package manager.

I'm not at home, as I said. Thank you for the answer.

There are two announcements for it in #pack-announcements, but both use the abbreviation SOTN rather than Symphony of the Night, so depending on your search preference it may be missed

Ah, I had searched for "symphony", actually.

i have an interesting question. When i set all items and keys on, except the moon pearl in the official map tracker, it shows turtle rock as green

00:39

why?

00:41

I get bunny revival glitch, but then why would ice palace and mire be red

Only a select few glitches should be accounted for as sequence breaks.

00:42

Bunny revival is not one of them.

right, and it should be marked yellow iirc

00:42

if its a break

Correct.

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00:49

and i just loaded a standard map, its red

00:49

so something with keysanity is breaking it

I will look into it. I believe I had issued a fix for that recently... have you verified that you have the latest version of the pack?

I see a pack update icon thats green, so I'm with Emo on this one. gotta stay updated

lemme check

02:04

disreguard, im a dukefiDerp

dukefiDerp

wednesdaysarebad

Gotta say, now that I know how it works and what it shows I'm extremely happy for map trackers, it'll help a ton with SM/ALttP

I'm at that point in SMLttPR where I wish an auto-tracked map was doable. I've gotta go through 16 hours of stream footage to manually check off what I've found LUL

LUL

...track it as you play

07:09

plenty of room transitions for tracking during

Yeah, didn't think of that when I first started. xD

07:09

Plus I didn't know the tracker existed until the 3rd stream session LUL

LUL

GWmroDiaLUL

07:14

Happy you found one

@Mallow Ch. just learn one of the games so you dont need to track it

23:26

i could literally do every location in super metroid by pure memory at this point lol

hey guys quick question

08:30

So some friends and I have been doing OoTR multiplayer runs (single-world). Is it possible to do some kind of shared Emotracker session where peeps can mark off the things that they have checked already, and everyone's application is updated with what another person has checked? (edited)

Nope, that's not available right now. Last I heard it was on the roadmap for "eventually", for doing that kind of co-op racing.

Hey guys I'm doing my first run of OOT using the Hamsda tracker on Emotracker. Does anyone know what the colours for each quest are? Cuz I'm running out of greens ones to do. I think yellow means you can do them but out of logic? Orange and blue I don't get

#faq

perfect thanks

same for every pack

sorry i read all the readme and tried googling. Didn't see the faq channel.

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appreciate the help

the one that's tripping you up is orange

19:01

which is a mixture of in-logic checks and not-in-logic checks in one location

yea. it was give the letter to a guard and start the mask shop stuff

19:09

haven't played this game since it originally came out. a lot i have forgotten

Anyone know where I can find this pack? Please and thank you!

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This is not an EmoTracker pack, sorry. Hit up the OoTR server for further assistance with this one.

That looks like OoT3D graphics. Frankly, such deviation from the usual design and conventions of EmoTracker packages should be done as a customization override.

I know which tracker is it, but won't be posting competition here. Visit the game's Discord to get further help.

Will EmoTracker support Linux? Or is that not a priority yet?

from what i've heard from Emo it won't officially be supported on linux because it relies heavily on libraries that only exist for windows. unless she does a major rewrite, the best you are going to get is virtual machines

I have no intention of ever porting it to Linux.

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The user base landscape (as well as the development landscape) would have to change radically to make me even consider changing my mind on that.

it does work within a VM, however, even with SD2SNES

speaking of "that tracker" is it possible to add a background to an emotracker pack

Not easily, I'd wager. You'd be doing a lot of hacking together an item map.

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...A lot.

15:27

That's something you should throw in as a stream layout item

Let's ask the boss.

You can do that already, it's one of the ways you could use either the canvas or container layout elements, as both of those allow you to put other elements on top of each other.

15:35

It's probably still easier to just define your broadcast layout with a transparent background and making your desired background image an element on your stream though.

I answered this in #customization-support

not sure if anyone checked but there seem to be a problem with the smz3 auto tracker its not tracking the sm portion

#autotracker-support

Just thinking the map tracker could be useful for vanilla OoT too, if the settings are right.

Is there a server for Zelda 1 randomizer?

Yes. This invite should work. https://discordapp.com/invite/NJXayH2

Thx ^^

There's supposed to be one in #faq, but it appears it's not previewing the invite

17:05

Probably too many in one post

Nah, the invite in #faq seems to be invalid.

Updated with the one above

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ukYJX4s7E

Nantucket Sleighride

Amon Düül II - Eye-Shaking King [HQ]

that probably belongs in #off-topic

Hey everybody, not sure if this is the right channel to post but someone can direct me if not

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I'm trying to modify a package to have it start lit up and then grey out on click rather than vice versa

#customization-support

Cheers lechtansi

I have a good news, since there's no tracker for metroid 1 (NES) randomizer, i decided to do it ^^ I am working on the basics by using the ALttP tracker as a reference (edited)

ok so I just got started with emo tracker, i got auto tracking up and running and i like it so far. Is there a way to display notes instead of pinned locations? just asking as it would make entrance randos much eaiser to keep track of.

No. There’s a long term plan for full support for entrance randomizer as a real, logic enabled thing. It’s not here yet, and notes are a decent compromise, but there’s not currently a way to display them that way.

@EmoSaru ok thank you. im working on a pack for my own use that has all the entrances so I can at least add a note to each for its rando location.

okay, orange means "partially completable, in sequence" correct?

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i'm playing alttpr open standard, and despite having no flute or lamp, spectacle rock is orange

Lol idk what to tell you. Could be that if you did the old man rescue in the dark then you'd be able to get up there and get the items. What color is the text above the chest icons under spectacle rock?

cave is yellow, up top is blue

19:53

so yeah, orange lol

Okay so up top is blue because you can only visually look at it without mirror, and the other one is yellow because you can currently only get there via old man rescue dark room sequence break without lamp, or flute to fly straight to the mountain

except it'd still be a sequence break to see the top

It's still only a visual check and not something you can even sequence break without mirror

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Hence why its Blue

From #faq Orange Partially accessible - some portions are accessible, but some are inaccessible.

I don't know if anyone would care about this, but I made this reference guide for chat commands for a friend's stream and thought it could be helpful for some people. If there's any mistakes, please let me know I would love to fix it. Feel free to use/share it either way. <3 https://i.imgur.com/IQWbzGb.png

you named the gloves in the wrong order, the gold ones are the mitts

is it really "aganhim" because that would be a spelling error

Agahnim

The phrasing for the marking-medallion-with-dungeon info is awkward, and a little confusing. Maybe:

Medallions can be marked with the dungeon they open with the command !hud MAGIC XX, i.e. !hud bombos MM to mark Bombos as opening Misery Mire, or !hud ether TR to mark Ether as opening Turtle Rock. If one medallion opens both dungeons, use !hud MAGIC BOTH. To clear a dungeon, use !hud MAGIC NONE.

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Oops, good catch, thank you all!

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13:07

Thank you all for your help. If there's any other mistakes, I'll gladly fix them.

@AniMeiKao Well done!

Thank you ^_^ I tried to pack as much information in as possible but not wanting to sacrifice clarity. I have a small space on the right that has not been used yet, if anyone has any ideas of what I could add to it (very small space) let me know

Pinned a message.

Oh @EmoSaru I have a slightly tweaked version if you would like to pin that one

I added swordless command and a few small things.

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Thank you all for everything you've done on this. ❤

Actually, can you repost this in #chathud-support? I will pin it there

Sure thing

is there a place where the images used for trackers are stored? I'm trying to take an image used in one of the OoT trackers for a photoshop project, and i would simply screenshot and crop but a number appears over it when i click on it to put the color on it. i was hoping all those images were stored in a folder somewhere

they are typically stored in the zip file that contains the pack

can't find zips of packs in my program files where emotracker was installed

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is there a filepath you can choose or look at?

its typically in my documents\emotracker

You can also export any image using the export override option in the gear menu. It'll be saved in Documents\EmoTracker\user_overrides

i did not expect it to be in documents. thanks guys, i found exactly what i wanted

Anyone know why auto-tracking is banned during races but regular tracking isn't?

Because a small number of people made a huge stink about the fairness of it and a lot of drama ensued

It's somewhere between unchecked elitism and a self-consuming community. It's <current year>, it's really time to recognize that technology evolves.

Does anybody know where to get the autotracker script for SMZ3?

13:05

trying to figure out how to get this all set up

It’s best to tag the author of the pack, but also it’s part of the pack. Please check #autotracker-support and continue this there.

thanks

please keep in mind you cannot race with it, tho

I'm sorry to ask here but is there anyone who can show me a walkthrough for setting up this program so the map opens i don't seem to get a map when it opens it is connected to the game and tracks items ... but doesn't show map or locations ..... am i doing something wrong (sorry to ask i would look up the tutorial video but i seem to only be able to find one in French and before just telling me to read something i have brain damage and i had trouble locating the instructions to get started .... my apologies alttp/sm randomizer with snes9x x64 my system specs are up to date and program seems to be running fine )

are you using the pack with a map

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there's 2 packs and only one has a map tracker

Asking the same question in multiple channels will get you support even slower than putting it in the right place once.

02:29

The tracker does not connect to the game unless you are specifically using the auto-tracker enabled packages and following the instructions for specific software modified for that purpose.

i deleted it off the other channel i wasn't sure if i should post it there or in general my apologies. so i am running with sm/alttp and i installed both files .... should i uninstall one or the other ?

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my friend pmed me in this channel im sorry to have bothered you all thank you for the support

have a nice day

you only get autotracking or map. ninban package has a map but no autotracking, fouton's has autotracking but no map. so you can't have both at once

@EmoSaru I've made an Illusion of Gaia Randomizer pack for EmoTracker Could it be added to EmoTracker catalog ?

Taking this to DM

Oh ok, sorry X)

That... is not the kind of game I would have expected a randomizer for.

would a cadence of hyrule pack even be worth it? wjbThink

wjbThink

where do i download the tracker from

Literally the first question in #faq

I'm still not sure what value there is to an Illusion of Gaia rando.

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Though the game is great fun. ..Though I never made it far.

replay value and fun ?

..but what is there to really shuffle around? Red Gems and herb locations amongst thenselves.. and.. that's about it?

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I was under the impression everything else is pretty firmly railroaded.

not only that, all items are shuffled, Will and Freedan abilities also

Note to self, locate old copy and try to complete for real for once.

unlike vanilla game, rando is more open, so logic is very different and some changes permits to really change the way we walk through it

im trying to find all the commands for the trackers on twitch, is there a location i can go to see all those commands? i know its !hud and then whatever the item is but im trying to find the right commands.

they are different from pack to pack

i use Hamsdas pack so ill have to check into that. thank you.

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i use your pack on the stream im specifically talking about. LUL

LUL

i mean the codes are pretty much all in the files in the items folder

yup, i found it. thanks.

kelpLurk

@Windothia You can open the app, hit the

to check the Package Manager.

20:46

Looks like there's only support for Prime 1 at this time.

20:46

You could make one for Prime 2.

How would I make one? I was really just hoping one existed so I could play the game and make sure I am getting everything because I’m bad at remembering what I have and haven’t gotten, oh well guess I’ll have to find another way to keep track of it.

The Pinned Messages in #customization-support hold your entry into pack production.

The Echoes randomizer comes with a tracker that, based on what you've obtained, will give you a list of rooms/item locations you can get to

Last time this was asked, SauceRelic responded

SauceRelic 03/19/2019 I'm still interested, still trying to work out how to move the logic to EmoTracker, and still swamped with other work. It will probably be a very long time before a map tracker for that game will be done with logic implemented by me or anybody else, but I'll see what I can do about an items only tracker in the meantime.

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I remember that, but in the mean time it's as I said above. The rando comes with an actually really thoroughly done tracker (without an actual map). The devs and Sauce should get in touch and I bet it would help a lot

Hey I just downloaded emo, is there a good how-to here for setting up the tracker in OBS?

press f2 to open up the broadcast view and then capture that in OBS

Hello and whatnot!

Hey, sorry if this isn't the right place, but I can't figure out what all of the colors mean for items in SM/ALTTP Rando. I get what green and red mean, and I think blue means I can see it but not get it, but what about yellow and orange?

#faq

@RKCorvus Yellow means it's possible to get by sequence breaking. Orange means you can do bits of it, but not the whole thing.

Or you can direct them to #faq, where it's already answered, for literally every pack, so that you don't have to spoon-feed the answer to them.

I realize emutracker doesnt support this but. Can anyone direct me to a good pokemon tracker?

It could support it!

I recommend asking in a pokemon-related discord. I prefer that we don't discuss on link to the other trackers here.

Make sure to update your Majora's Mask packs to allow for no sword, shield, or song of healing at the start. There's going to be a new option that allows you to swap the two starting heart containers, sword, shield, and song of healing

Speaking of MMR trackers, I just made one using very HD imagery. It uses the same layout currently as IyanSiwik's tracker, but I will be updating that within the next day or two when I have more free time. Link is https://github.com/DarkWolfInsanity/MMR-Tracker-HD

DarkWolfInsanity/MMR-Tracker-HD

A very HD tracker for use inside EmoTracker. Contribute to DarkWolfInsanity/MMR-Tracker-HD development by creating an account on GitHub.

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~~note that HD imagery makes it rather large, so use it on a second monitor. I literally only did this to make it look nice~~

i am new to this game rom thing and i cant get Multiworld set up

You are not in a Discord for a game - you are in a discord for an app that helps people playing Randomizers. Visit your game's Discord for help playing that game.

Hi. I've been playing the SM+ALttP Randomizer while using EmoTracker (great app by the way), and I noticed that one of the locations did not change to green unbeknownst to me that I could in fact reach it. This happened while using v10.2 of the Ninban & gilgatex package. The location that did not change colour was Pyramid Fairy. Are the conditions to highlight it based on items I get, or dungeons I beat?

Dungeons you beat. Make sure youre marking the 5/6 crystals properly

It should be Misery Mire, and Ice Palace correct?

It’s whatever crystals 5 and 6 are in your seed

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They’re randomized

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And they’re the red ones on the map

16:33

The tracker allows you to mark them as red crystals

16:33

Which is how it knows when pyramid is accessible

Huh, ok. Cool.

As a kid I had no idea and always thought I had to beat the first 6 DW dungeons

23:45

After all that time I could've had Silvers way sooner

technically you still need to beat skull, thieves, swamp and pod to get into ice palace

Nah, you can do Ice Palace without the Fire Rod and Hookshot

09:03

One of which involves a bit of cheating sure

Just grab the dungeon item and heck off back to the overworld

10:35

@Linebeck yeah, but as a kid whats more likely. that you are gonna know how to skip needing FR or hookshot, or doing the dungeons in the intended order.

Well I broke into the Palace of the Four Sword as a kid, but I do see your point

plus the only thing you really need silvers for is armos, helma, vitty and ganon. and three of those are required to get silvers

helma isn't required :>

i mean, you need the hammer. and if your gonna go get the hammer you might as well go fight helma

nah

any amount of time you save by leaving straight after hammer to go to ice is lost by having to revisit pod

who said anything about revisiting

13:27

game doesn't check for crystals to allow you to damage ganon

right. but how do you get into GT in the first place?

who said anything about GT?

i guess im lost as to what we are talking about. i thought we were talking about the relative usefulness of getting silvers early in a casual LTTP run

Which is also a topic best discussed in an lttp discord, rather than here.

Question, is there a recommended tracker for playing OoTOnline using Randomizer? Say if you want players you are playing with to be able to be able to see whats been collected, is there one that syncs between users or would it be still necessary to just have everyone notate their item pickups manually?

Co-op modes are not (currently?) supported.

Hmmm, well that's alright... still a nice feature to have. Will still be able to track manually regardless.

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Guess I can cross my fingers and hope its done one day. Me and my wife have gotten kinda hooked on playing Randomizer together through OoTO

It's been requested by EmoSaru to not directly link to other trackers as this is specifically for EmoTracker.

Understood, didn't realize I was on this server when I posted that

Does OoTO share inventory across the internet to other players? Or is the desire to be able to look at someone else's inventory?

It's shared

One could use ChatHUD commands to update it in a crowdsourced format.

14:26

It'd still require human-input to do the thing, but it can be updated by each player.

I'm trying to find the answer, but I'm failing so I'm just gonna ask. What's the best SNES emulator to use with EmoTracker?

11:41

I'm new to playing on a PC lol

If you're not doing autotracking it doesn't matter which emulator you use.

if you want to use autotracking, look in #autotracker-support in the pinned messages, if not, any emulator will do, just pick the one you like

Thank you very much!

Don't use ZSNES.

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That's about all there is to say.

Can someone tell me how to perform a crystal flash? I'm doing a hell run and the button combo I thought was right isn't working. I do have enough ammo to do it but I must be doing something wrong

a metroid discord could probably help you

Yeah that's something for a Metroid discord, not the Discord for a tracker app

if anyone is interested, here is the link for "Illusion of Gaia : Randomizer" discord server : https://discord.gg/mrAA2ED

Hello. i downloaded the tracker for ATTLP, and i've noticed it doesnt hvae the pendants listed, nor does it give me the option of selecting the red crystals or which spells i need to enter TR or MM

11:55

is there something else i should download?

11:56

and the red boomerang isnt working

11:56

i click on the boomerangs and only the blue one lights up

#pack-support and no, there isn't right click on the crystal icons as well as the medallions to mark them

oh R click

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ty

11:56

face palm

where are the install instructions??????

To install it, download and run the installer.

i mean everything

You will find support channels for various aspects of using the program here. They are named meaningfully, and often have pinned messages with useful information. I recommend checking them.

running my game and the program did nothing

I doubt very seriously that it did “nothing”.

its a black window

Does it say to do anything on that black window?

so i tried running my game and the program still did nothing

I'd be willing to bet that that black window looks like this.

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18:49

which tells you what your first step is right there in the middle

no docs

18:50

only thing on the download page is the installer

Let me just say this. You have made it to the Discord, which is where support happens.

18:52

I'm aware of what happened on the LTTPR discord.

18:52

If you want to ask questions, you are free to do so.

18:52

If you want to say "nothing works" over and over again, then we won't be able to help you, just like they weren't.

no install instructions and program does nothing when launching the game

EmoTracker supports auto-tracking for some games in certain situations. If you were to read, for example, #autotracker-support (shock, I know), you might find useful information.

18:53

Regardless, your first step is to do what the tracker is telling you to do, right in the middle of that window.

its just a black window

18:53

nothing else to download on the site

When launched, does your emotracker window look like the screenshot I posted above?

its black

That does not answer my question.

18:54

Why don't you post a screenshot of what you're looking at

hugs for emosaru

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i just have a options icon, cloud saving icon, and refresh icon

The Cloud is your goal.

I'm not needing to save anything

is to get the tracker of the game you need to

The tooltip may provide a hint. And maybe it might have something related to what Emo’s screenshot indicates.

It's an icon with an arrow on it. Which the text in the window says is what your looking for.

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